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Post by rainxx »

ironcurtain wrote: post #617
therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

Your people, whether you feel like they are yours is a different question, a fighting and dying. Many believing they do it for their country. You just want easy life for yourself. Nothing is wrong with it, but for the rest of the world you are not just Russian, but coward as well. You’ll be begging for forgiveness and always explaining that you were always against the tyrant to the good white people who think good co…

Ah, brave russian bear here with us. Don't poke bear, bear chop your country off. Add some BLM propaganda, add good white people and call everyone running for a normal life a coward. Good bot.

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Post by selfhoster11 »

maybelsyrup wrote: post #482
foxfluff wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also people who see it this way: world war 2 ended Hitler, world war 3 may be needed to end Putler. A war might be the only way to take out a genocidal dictator-terrorist who threatens the entire world with nukes.

Yes right, this is what I mean by "they find a way to be okay with it." Well-meaning and high-minded establishment types like Tom Friedman or Jeffrey Goldberg or David Frum wouldn't let themselves indulge in outright bloodlust; that would be too crass, too icky, and too honest. So they concoct little children's tales like "WW3 may be needed to end Putler" to rationalize it. This is an ego defense: a mechanism to prot…

Independently of whether it's a rationalisation or not, it might be the actual reality of the situation. Maybe WW3 actually _is_ needed to unseat him (though I hope it's not).

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Post by purecoolnesss »

itwillnotbeasy wrote: post #714

Leaving not because of the crimes of the current regime but because of the sanctions affecting their quality of life. I had many online "friends" and distant relatives from Russia, and most of them is like "not my business", i don't care about politics, even when you show pictures with all horrors of war. The other part is like: I'm against this, but what can we do, it's too risky to protest, i can get arrested for 1…

There are apolitical people in every country, no? These people maximise their own benefit (aka capitalism) without caring about others (aka socialism?)

There are also patriotic people like those Ukranians you mentioned that stayed and are fighting. Unfortunately many of the patriotic Russians support the war and they don't care as much about quality of life.

What is happening is kind of like you living in a neighbourhood your whole life and then some thugs move in. Now all of a sudden you don't get mail because the post is scared of those thugs. You can fight the thugs or you can move to a neighbourhood where you can get your mail.

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Post by selfhoster11 »

lowkey wrote: post #705
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #669

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>The net effect is the same. It's not though. The west doesn't come to Russia and shove their grubby hands into the bank accounts of ordinary Russians to steal their money, resources and taxes, and starve them to death. Russia does that to their citizens and bares the sole responsibility of these actions, not the west. Like come on, Russia can choose to stop the wear at any time and the sanctions would be lifted but…

It is though. The west does shove their grubby hands into the bank accounts of ordinary citizens - all the time - to steal their money, resources and taxes. - A few weeks ago it was Canada freezing bank accounts of their political opponents. - The US still allows for civil forfeiture of arbitrary assets with no presumption of innocence or conventional due process. - A little while back Cyprus arbitrarily stole privat…

If anything, that's robbing their own people, not the Russian citizens. That's what OP is saying, it's not the West, but the Russian oligarchs robbing Russian citizens of the wealth they could otherwise have.

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Post by pxtail »

pelasaco wrote: post #654
SXX wrote: post #615

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Warning: I do not support this war in any way. Or Putin, or his propoganda and cronies. And I also supported opposition in Russia financially as much as I could afford. And I publicly codemned this war. Yet here is the problem: western countries allowed Putins regime to exist and grow in it's power for 15+ years and no one cared until this terrible war started. But before there been a lot of other events. No one gave…

> Around 2012 mass protests in Russia was supressed and a lot of people landed in prison. Some opposition leaders were killed. "Maximum penalties were fines of several thousand rubles or imposed labor of up to 200 hours" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932013_Russian_prot... That's how it works, but can he incarcerate millions of people? We have good examples of non-violent protests that won against such reg…

> That's how it works, but can he incarcerate millions of people?

Don't underestimate Russian capabilities when it comes to punishing regular people - 18millions went through gulag system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

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Post by ericmay »

pydry wrote: post #759
ericmay wrote: post #548

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> Should Russia schedule a delivery of nuclear weapons to Cuba for this week or next? Frankly, I couldn’t care less. But if you think a country choosing to ally with a country is the same as positioning nuclear weapons, well, that’s your problem. Recall that Russia exited nuclear arms treaties and controls, which were the result of an insane arms buildup and included activities like putting missiles in Cuba. Even the…

>But if you think a country choosing to ally with a country is the same as positioning nuclear weapons I think encircling your border with an offensive military alliance is very much like placing nukes 100 miles away and pointing them at you, yes. I wouldnt want the military alliance that destroyed Libya anywhere near me if I thought I could be a target. Having a strict "dont end up like Libya" policy is actually a f…

> I think encircling your border with an offensive military alliance is very much like placing nukes 100 miles away and pointing them at you, yes.

Why do you think NATO is an offensive alliance against Russia?

> I wouldnt want the military alliance that destroyed Libya anywhere near me if I thought I could be a target. Having a strict "dont end up like Libya" policy is actually a fairly sensible.

Odd isn’t it? It’s almost like if you are like Libya, and you murder your citizens, deny them basic rights, and enrich yourself at their expense you end up on the receiving end of some measure of justice. I can’t imagine what could possibly prevent that. No country has ever figured that out. Nope. No way.

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Post by rmbyrro »

vhgyu75e6u wrote: post #622
rmbyrro wrote: post #576

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"Generated"... by Africans and South Americans. But yesterday it was OK to do what Russia is doing now.

Ah yes generated at least 200 years ago and were absolutely untouched during a Civil War and 2 worl wars destroying Europe

Spain was practically untouched during both World Wars. Surprisingly - for an European country - it was one of the few states to remain neutral during the conflicts. [1] [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_during_World_War_II

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_during_World_War_I

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Post by ericmay »

gspetr wrote: post #760
ericmay wrote: post #723

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Which only holds true if you want to be an adversary. NATO countries don’t care about Russia as a military adversary except to the degree that they want to be one. The Cold War is over. Russia could just grow into a prosperous economy and ally with the west. They choose not to.

If that's true then if you were a rational actor why would you overspend on military, even if we adjusted by cost of labour, GDP per capita and other relevant economic parameters? US spends more than the next 10 countries by military spending combined. US was the dominant influence behind economic reforms in Russia in the early 90s, so I do not understand how that argument can be made in good faith. It's Dr. Frankens…

> If that's true then if you were a rational actor why would you overspend on military, even if we adjusted by cost of labour, GDP per capita and other relevant economic parameters? US spends more than the next 10 countries by military spending combined.

Many reasons. One can simply be good salespeople. Another could be an effective role as world police. Another could be to constrain violent dictatorships from invading neighboring countries. But sure it’s just so very aggressive toward little ole’ Russia.

> US was the dominant influence behind economic reforms in Russia in the early 90s, so I do not understand how that argument can be made in good faith. It's Dr. Frankenstein blaming Frankenstein (his creation) for being a monster.

What argument?

> Also, if the Cold war was over -

I guess you can debate this with someone but everyone alive who anybody cares to listen to recognizes that the Cold War ended with the fall of the Soviet Union.

> why did NATO even expand?

Because Russia is a mafia state run by old KGB morons who are pillaging the country and, as you can see, starting wars against neighboring countries. Georgia. Moldova. Ukraine. Why wouldn’t you want to be protected from that?

> A lot of people on HN say that it is a purely defensive alliance, why would you expand if you were acting in good will, especially when you said you would not?

Don’t care.

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Post by selfhoster11 »

Lio wrote: post #586
pelasaco wrote: post #517

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At this point, what do you think that Putin has to loose? The guy is 70 years old. An old, lonely, bitter man. His wife left him in 2013 and his kids are far away from him. All his Wealth is blocked, he will never be able to enjoy his life outside of his little empire. He has nothing to loose. He could choose the bunker, but maybe he decides to bring the whole world with him. And if he decided already, nothing that w…

Can’t say I disagree with the sentiment. I can’t see what he has to gain from this war. There’s no upside for him. All I can think is that he’s got something like Parkinson's, knows he’s on the way out and just wants throw his weight around one last time. Honestly though your guess is as good as mine.

There are various commentators who came to the conclusion he wants his legacy to be the restoration of the Russian empire. If that's truly the case, the move of attacking Ukraine while not caring about economic consequences makes sense. Or at least it made sense until the sanctions became so heavy.

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Post by [deleted] »

b112 wrote: post #183
Yajirobe wrote: post #72

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Americans about US wars: 'we cannot do anything about our government - they engage in wars and we couldn't stop them if we tried' Americans about Russian wars: 'the average Joes need to go out to the streets and bring Putin down'

When was the last time the US invaded, with an intent to never, ever leave? When was the last time the US invaded, and slaughtered civilians, on purpose, just to spread terror. Not by accident, or a rogue element, but purposefully. When was the last time the US jailed, not by a mistake in justice but on purpose, all who dared speak out about her actions? And killed them when possible? Many reading the above will say…

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