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Re: China Is Not Russia. Taiwan Is Not Ukraine

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Post by daenz »

Etherlord87 wrote: post #123
_hypx wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that hard to arm a society when war breaks out. That is the same mentality that countries like Switzerland has. The "2A argument" is quite a bit different, and has very few similarities with what is going on at the start of a war.

If you give out guns to people who never used them, they won't be as effective. Also I think you're underestimating the logistic difficulty of storing and transporting tens of millions of weapons (and ammunition) before blitzkrieg cuts you off. You could have a storage in each city, but you still need to move the guns to smaller towns and villages, as well as enemy spies could sabotage such transports...

Not to mention that Switzerland is 15,940 mi², while USA is 3,797,000 mi².

Re: China Is Not Russia. Taiwan Is Not Ukraine

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Post by nulld3v »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #114
credit_guy wrote: post #52

One thing is sure: if China still wants to invade Taiwan, they certainly have postponed their plans by a few years, maybe a decade, maybe even more. The attempted invasion of Ukraine by Russia just reminded people that the best war plans don't survive the first contact with the enemy (apparently stated by the Prussian general Moltke), or in the more folksy words of Mike Tyson, everyone has a plan until they get punch…

I legitimately don't understand where all these "Ukraine is obviously winning" takes are coming from. If Ukraine was doing well, it wouldn't be giving out weapons to civilians [0], forming penal battalions [1], or lie about receiving NATO planes. [2] If Ukraine was doing well, it wouldn't be inflating death counts to be larger than the US involvement in Afghanistan, a 20 year period of time. [3,4] If Ukraine was doin…

But is radiosvoboda even Ukrainian? I thought they were American.

Was the Ghost of Kyiv story made up by the Ukrainians even? How do we know that?

Also, Ukraine is doing well, considering their situation.

Re: China Is Not Russia. Taiwan Is Not Ukraine

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Post by daenz »

_hypx wrote: post #128
zthrowaway wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And having a firearm to protect your life in that rare situation is still important… The police are the cleanup crew, those first 5-10 minutes you’re on your own.

The danger of owning a firearm, especially if it is always armed for such an occurrence, is more dangerous to the household than the risk of home invasion (which again, is rare). It is an idea that people defend using the concept of "safety", but in reality is motivated by fear or hypermasculinity as the main cause.

You don't seem very open to changing your perspective, but if you care to peruse a subreddit dedicated to reporting defensive gun use in the news, it contains a ton of stories that you've likely never encountered[0]. You may disagree with many of them, but some are absolutely defensible, like an ex-boyfriend breaking into woman's apartment and beating her until she is able to shoot him[1][2] (from the front page of that subreddit).

My point is, become familiar with the frequency that these reports happen before you make the claim that it's rare.

  0. https://www.reddit.com/r/dgu
  1. https://kfor.com/news/local/oklahoma-woman-shoots-and-kills-ex-boyfriend-during-break-in/
  2. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/wickliffe-woman-shoots-boyfriend-after-being-struck-multiple-times-boyfriend-later-arrested

Re: China Is Not Russia. Taiwan Is Not Ukraine

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Post by _hypx »

daenz wrote: post #134
_hypx wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The danger of owning a firearm, especially if it is always armed for such an occurrence, is more dangerous to the household than the risk of home invasion (which again, is rare). It is an idea that people defend using the concept of "safety", but in reality is motivated by fear or hypermasculinity as the main cause.

You don't seem very open to changing your perspective, but if you care to peruse a subreddit dedicated to reporting defensive gun use in the news, it contains a ton of stories that you've likely never encountered[0]. You may disagree with many of them, but some are absolutely defensible, like an ex-boyfriend breaking into woman's apartment and beating her until she is able to shoot him[1][2] (from the front page of t…

I get the feeling you have that problem in reverse. All defensive gun use is very rare. Certainly, rarer than the opposite (offensive gun use). Combined with suicide risk and accidental deaths or injuries, it is rarely justifiable. Study on this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2848468/

Re: China Is Not Russia. Taiwan Is Not Ukraine

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Post by daenz »

_hypx wrote: post #135
daenz wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't seem very open to changing your perspective, but if you care to peruse a subreddit dedicated to reporting defensive gun use in the news, it contains a ton of stories that you've likely never encountered[0]. You may disagree with many of them, but some are absolutely defensible, like an ex-boyfriend breaking into woman's apartment and beating her until she is able to shoot him[1][2] (from the front page of t…

I get the feeling you have that problem in reverse. All defensive gun use is very rare. Certainly, rarer than the opposite (offensive gun use). Combined with suicide risk and accidental deaths or injuries, it is rarely justifiable. Study on this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2848468/

The CDC reports 60,000 to 2.5M instances of defensive gun use per year[0]

0. https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.htm....

Re: China Is Not Russia. Taiwan Is Not Ukraine

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Post by zdragnar »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #116
credit_guy wrote: post #52

One thing is sure: if China still wants to invade Taiwan, they certainly have postponed their plans by a few years, maybe a decade, maybe even more. The attempted invasion of Ukraine by Russia just reminded people that the best war plans don't survive the first contact with the enemy (apparently stated by the Prussian general Moltke), or in the more folksy words of Mike Tyson, everyone has a plan until they get punch…

> One thing is sure: if China still wants to invade Taiwan, they certainly have postponed their plans by a few years, maybe a decade, maybe even more. Not necessarily. CPC is still waiting to see what the US and NATO do in response to the Russian invasion, and especially Putin's threats of nuclear escalation. If China perceives that all the West will do is sanctions on Russia, but no direct military intervention to p…

We're still buying millions of dollars worth of oil from Russia daily because our government is afraid of blowback from further energy price inflation.

Economic sanctions on China would absolutely cripple us. I don't doubt that, if they were committed to the idea, the CPC would likely be willing to ride out whatever we actually cobble together in response. They've been pushing heavily for self reliance in every industry for quite awhile now.

Re: China Is Not Russia. Taiwan Is Not Ukraine

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Post by runnerup »

jart wrote: post #110
stale2002 wrote: post #71

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> ways to drive wedges between the US and Taiwan is a part of this strategy. If that is the strategy, then it is failing. Taiwan is more anti-unification than it has ever been, and the people there already consider themselves to be an independent country.

They consider themselves China actually. So maybe the Republic of China would prefer that the People's Republic of China ask to reunite with them.

KMT no longer runs Taiwan. This idea is outdated.

Re: China Is Not Russia. Taiwan Is Not Ukraine

#139

Post by bingohbangoh »

plorkyeran wrote: post #127
bingohbangoh wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I legitimately don't understand where all these "Ukraine is obviously winning" takes are coming from. If Ukraine was doing well, it wouldn't be giving out weapons to civilians [0], forming penal battalions [1], or lie about receiving NATO planes. [2] If Ukraine was doing well, it wouldn't be inflating death counts to be larger than the US involvement in Afghanistan, a 20 year period of time. [3,4] If Ukraine was doin…

I legitimately don't understand how people keep interpreting "this doesn't seem to be going how Russia hoped it would" as "Ukraine is obviously winning". Those aren't the same thing at all.

Where is the proof or source that this isn’t going as Russia would hope?

Re: China Is Not Russia. Taiwan Is Not Ukraine

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Post by bingohbangoh »

nulld3v wrote: post #133
bingohbangoh wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I legitimately don't understand where all these "Ukraine is obviously winning" takes are coming from. If Ukraine was doing well, it wouldn't be giving out weapons to civilians [0], forming penal battalions [1], or lie about receiving NATO planes. [2] If Ukraine was doing well, it wouldn't be inflating death counts to be larger than the US involvement in Afghanistan, a 20 year period of time. [3,4] If Ukraine was doin…

But is radiosvoboda even Ukrainian? I thought they were American. Was the Ghost of Kyiv story made up by the Ukrainians even? How do we know that? Also, Ukraine is doing well, considering their situation.

I think it’s also what Ukraine (broadly speaking) believes

https://web.archive.org/web/20220225201409/https://www.5.ua/...

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