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Post by kikimora »

cmurf wrote: post #750
andrey123 wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Disclaimer: Russian] According to my estimations, probably at least 95% of people who are "against the war" do not go out to participate in protests. My estimations are based on talking to my colleagues (large IT company). Yes, starting from now, protesting becomes more risky (you may go to jail for years if you get caught second time). But just a week ago, it was mostly harmless (yes, some people get arrested for f…

I think Russians are responsible, but I do not think they are 100% responsible. But whatever the responsibility is, the punishment will be collective and disproportionate. Some of that will be fair, a lot of it will not be. The young kids today, and not yet born, who had no ability to become part of a rebellion, will be punished. The old folks today, the ones who have died since Putin was in power, they're not going…

What happened in Putin’s Russia had happened in many other counties. What makes it special is large nuclear arsenal that makes Putin immune to an intervention. I won’t go into how much Russians are responsible if at all as this is just too controversial. But I do believe that a long term solution is international pressure to establish functional political institutes that are more powerful than any single politician working inside them. I don’t care if it is called a democracy or something else. I care about the system which is above any single participant and does not break when someone tries to take full control over it.

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Post by skybrian »

jacquesm wrote: post #691
skybrian wrote: post #685

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This might be true, but they aren't being tried for their own crimes. It's just revenge.

Clearly it is not revenge, that is a ridiculous thing to say. Sanctions are the kind of things that tend to send unmistakable messages: we are serious about this and we're willing to hurt our own interests to hurt yours, stop what you are doing or it will get worse. Of course that requires a modicum of rationality on the other side, which we may not have in this case, and obviously the rulers will usually be utterly…

UK Property and football clubs don't contribute to the Russian war effort, though. Yachts are not warships. Since trade with Russia has stopped, even selling them would make little difference.

If anything we should be encouraging Russians to flee the country.

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Post by muzika »

Etherlord87 wrote: post #710
goldenkey wrote: post #666

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It's not cowardly to avoid wearing controversial shirts. There are nuts everywhere just look for reasons to be set off.

Maybe I'm just brave, because I find that cowardly. But then what kind of word do we use to describe Ukrainians - heroic, I guess.

Wearing a shirt with profanity printed on it is not heroic.

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Post by lowkey »

toomanyrichies wrote: post #779
lowkey wrote: post #777

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You forgot D) stop directly subsidizing Putin’s war machine by buying Russia’s oil & gas.

I didn't forget it. I believe that's a sub-strategy of C. That said, even if you believe your suggestion is separate from mine, there's nothing to preclude choosing both C and D. If solely focusing on Russia's oil exports isn't enough to get the job done, we need to apply economic sanctions across a broader section of Russia's economy, if we're going to act at all.

But my point is why start with broad sanctions applied to every Russian citizen instead of putting an immediate end to us directly subsidizing Putin’s was machine?

Clearly the latter is more focused on the Russian government, ends a direct subsidy of our money paying for this war, and has much less direct impact on poor and struggling everyday Russians?

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Post by dragonwriter »

lowkey wrote: post #768
retromario wrote: post #663

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I think it's only a matter of time until the US and Germany stop buying gas from Russia. It's going to cause a lot of pain, especially for us in Germany where nearly a third of gas is imported from Russia. But that's the point, there are no more easy ways to put pressure on Putin. We are all going to feel a lot of pain before things get better. What is happening to the Russian people is tragic, but it pales in compar…

Sure we do. Currently we are giving Putin up to a Billion USD per day to buy his oil and gas. If we cut off this market it would cripple Putin’s war in Ukraine much more effectively than arming Ukrainians on the ground. Add in energy subsidies to affected customers in need of economic support to offset the inevitable increase in oil/gas prices in the short-term and we can blunt the worst of the pain on regular Europe…

> Currently we are giving Putin up to a Billion USD per day to buy his oil and gas.

Except, even without sanctions on oil & gas, no one is buying the oil.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/03/investing/russia-oil-sanction...

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Post by toomanyrichies »

lowkey wrote: post #784
toomanyrichies wrote: post #779

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't forget it. I believe that's a sub-strategy of C. That said, even if you believe your suggestion is separate from mine, there's nothing to preclude choosing both C and D. If solely focusing on Russia's oil exports isn't enough to get the job done, we need to apply economic sanctions across a broader section of Russia's economy, if we're going to act at all.

But my point is why start with broad sanctions applied to every Russian citizen instead of putting an immediate end to us directly subsidizing Putin’s was machine? Clearly the latter is more focused on the Russian government, ends a direct subsidy of our money paying for this war, and has much less direct impact on poor and struggling everyday Russians?

I'm not an economist, nor was I in the room when the sanctions decision was made. I can only guess that the experts who were in the room decided that depriving Putin of economic means was a time-sensitive process, and that petro-sanctions alone would take longer to have their effect than the Ukrainian army could hold out.

At the very least, that's one of many possibilities of what happened.

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Post by xur17 »

vmception wrote: post #749
quadcore wrote: post #668

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I think I understand what's confusing you in what I say. Let me clarify: the relation between DAI and KYC is a soft relation and by that I mean that KYC is not hardcoded in the technology. But by proxy, since the USD is KYCed, anything that's backed by USD is KYCed and thats enough to make say DAI not as permisionless as TerraUSD in practice. Now it may make no difference to you for such and such situations. Its just…

Got it, DAI uses a basket of collateral, some of which is the USDC stablecoin, and USDC itself is backed by USD. I dont think that means what you think it means, even if all the USDC in DAI deposits was frozen I think there are other contingencies to keep it at $1 MIM uses the same model except the collateral choices are better, so far, as they are all interest bearing or revenue producing assets such as xSushi and l…

If I was looking for a stablecoin at the intersection of secure, seizure resistant, and well backed, I'd probably go with Liquity (LUSD). It's backed by ETH, doesn't have a dao or anything controlling it, and has been operating for over a year at this point with no issues.

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Post by avar »

jacquesm wrote: post #366
therusskiy wrote: post #361

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It's definitely a better deal than those 300+ civilians and many more military whose lifes were lost, I am not gonna bloody argue about that. And yet I don't like when people discount broken lifes of Russians who had to flee their country leaving everything behind. Both Ukranians and Russians are refugees in this case. One difference they may not experience is being afraid of passing strangers in a country they fled…

The only people that can do something about it right this moment are all in Russia and as long as they don't the carnage will continue (in your name, no less). Putin's generals have over the years been carefully winnowed down to a bunch of spineless bastards, it's clear that near a dictator of such power you will not find any credible competition, those are either in jail or six feet under. Interesting side effect, t…

One reason sanctions against Putin aren't harder than they are, is because those of us in western Europe are still taking the relative luxury of (in my case) typing this comment sitting inside wearing an t-shirt, instead of having to wear my skiing inside my apartment.

I.e. the current sanctions explicitly excluded natural gas etc. Russia supplies around 40% of the EU's gas, demand is around 2x as higher.

We could just wear coats, but we're not. We could also do something more about it, but we're not.

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Post by akimball »

blub wrote: post #449
mantas wrote: post #283

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The problem is how to separate Russians fleeing Putin from Russians who just look for financial comfort and still support Putin. One of stark examples is Turks in Germany still voting for Erdogan.

You’re for annihilating the economy of a nuclear power with thousands of warheads? How do you imagine that a nuclear failed state looks and acts like? I swear, reading comments like these on social media makes me realize that a disturbingly large number of people are irrational about war.

We've seen what a nuclear failed state looks like, multiple times, in Russia, already.

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Post by [deleted] »

cmurf wrote: post #750
andrey123 wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Disclaimer: Russian] According to my estimations, probably at least 95% of people who are "against the war" do not go out to participate in protests. My estimations are based on talking to my colleagues (large IT company). Yes, starting from now, protesting becomes more risky (you may go to jail for years if you get caught second time). But just a week ago, it was mostly harmless (yes, some people get arrested for f…

I think Russians are responsible, but I do not think they are 100% responsible. But whatever the responsibility is, the punishment will be collective and disproportionate. Some of that will be fair, a lot of it will not be. The young kids today, and not yet born, who had no ability to become part of a rebellion, will be punished. The old folks today, the ones who have died since Putin was in power, they're not going…

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