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Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear

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Re: Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear

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If I figured out how to do something for $1 and it provides $3 worth of utility, how is it immoral to pay some money to inform people so they can get that $2 of extra utility in their lives by making that trade? As far as I’m concerned, stopping me from running that ad is morally equivalent to destroying the mail sorting machines at USPS.

You don't need advertising if you have a useful product. You only need discoverability. Advertising is an industry of mental pollution. It exists explicitly to convincing people they need to buy a product. If they don't know they need to buy it without being convinced, they don't actually need to buy it. It is literally not worth $2 to me to have your junk injected into my brain. This isn't personal of course. I don'…

It might be worth defining your point in more detail. Here's the spectrum as I see it with examples, from most invasive to least. I'm curious where you (and others) draw the line.

- TV / streaming ads that fully disrupt your content.

- Interstitial / popup ads that let you close them after some amount of time.

- Interstitial / popup ads that let you close them immediately.

- Banner ads that try to emulate your content. Ex: Sponsored search results that are specified as ads. Product placements in movies.

- Banner ads that clutter and introduce noise to your content but don't disrupt it directly. Ex: web banners, sports stadium billboards, highway billboards, store front signs, guidance signs ("yard sale down the block"), brand logos on products (esp. on athletes), "temporary" sale notifications.

- Subversive ads masquerading as content: UNDISCLOSED sponsored product reviews

- Ads masquerading as content: DISCLOSED sponsored product reviews

- Unintentional ads: genuine, un-incentivized product reviews. Answering your friend's question "what IDE do you use for X?".

- Indifferent and unconscious ads: your choice to use a product in public and not try to conceal that use.

Almost no one is going to argue against the first few being a net negative, and almost no one is going to argue that the last one is even worth thinking about. So where do you draw the line?

> I'd pay $2 to not own your thing specifically because I don't want more things.

You can do exactly that in many cases. Youtube Premium. Hulu tiers. I'm curious how many people nod at that quoted statement but don't actually do it. It's an easy choice for me to do it because I want to support content creators and the opportunity cost of my time is way higher than what these features cost.

Full Disclosure: My F2P multiplayer games get 75-90% of their revenue from advertisements, and most of that is interstitials. Whenever possible, I configure and experiment with close timers to find the right balance of UX and revenue. If I didn't have ads in my games, they would not feasibly exist. Unlike your home internet, most hosting providers charge per byte of data transfer.

That said, I also offer an ad removal in app purchase at a net loss to me. It's a net loss because what typically happens is players who spend the most time in the game are the ones that are significantly more likely to buy it. But the players who spend the most time in the game are also the ones who would be seeing the most ads if they didn't buy it. They are also producing the most data transfer (ie cost to me).

Re: Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear

#172

You are not allowed to promote websites with someone else's brand name. The site you were promoting was a trademark violation and Google Ads took it down correctly. The trigger may also be the food delivery company complaining legally about your ads to Google. Create your own site eg my-free-food-coupons.de and then run the ads.

OP here.

That makes sense. I’ll try moving the site to a different domain and submitting my seventh appeal.

If this is indeed the problem, it’s hard to understand why their support agents couldn’t have divulged this information in one of my six previous appeals.

Re: Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear

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It would be better if that googler or google itself recognized that having lots of automatic switches that destroy businesses, or people's email access or other things with no recourse is unacceptable and worked on that. Google should have an ombudsman or office that deals with these issues. I'm sure there would be lots of fraudulent claims. But there would be lots that were not. Please google let people pay to speak…

Please government regulate these monopolies.

That would be even better. Google search email and docs are almost public utilities at this point. But at least, we need to regulate on Google shuts down accounts, because it can really screw people's lives and companies. That reminds me I need to copy everything out of my own Gmail and docs again Just in case Google one day says I'm a persona non grata.

Re: Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear

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post #152

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> adversaries already know what they did wrong so telling them isn't going to make much difference I'm not sure that's true. Adversaries know they are intentionally trying to game Google's system, but that is not the same as knowing all of the internal parameters of Google's system. Telling them what they did wrong in specific cases might well give them useful additional information about those internal parameters th…

I don't for a moment believe Google couldn't afford to pay more humans. Do you?

Not the number of humans it would take to replace their automated fraud detection algorithms to dramatically reduce false positives at scale, no. The whole point of their business model is that all of those processes have to be automated, otherwise they aren't profitable.

Re: Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear

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You don't need advertising if you have a useful product. You only need discoverability. Advertising is an industry of mental pollution. It exists explicitly to convincing people they need to buy a product. If they don't know they need to buy it without being convinced, they don't actually need to buy it. It is literally not worth $2 to me to have your junk injected into my brain. This isn't personal of course. I don'…

It might be worth defining your point in more detail. Here's the spectrum as I see it with examples, from most invasive to least. I'm curious where you (and others) draw the line. - TV / streaming ads that fully disrupt your content. - Interstitial / popup ads that let you close them after some amount of time. - Interstitial / popup ads that let you close them immediately. - Banner ads that try to emulate your conten…

My criteria for acceptable product testimonials:

1. It's truthful.

2. It's about the product itself, not about how it could change your life.

3. There's no monetary consideration for it - not even the product being provided at a discount or free.

Your last two examples are the ones that are on the right side of all of those lines.

And yes, I pay for youtube premium and twitch turbo. Doing so improved the quality of those services immensely.

Re: Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear

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post #146

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Would you prefer nothing to happen? In the real world, we have two bad choices: either google ignores it completely, which I’m certainly not defending, or some of its employees try to make good. Why punish people for doing the right thing? Of course I think their support is generally reprehensible. But we don’t have a third choice right now, so these employees taking initiative seems like a win.

What you are describing is the problem. Both your options are terrible. This needs regulating.

uh they aren’t my options. They are what’s available in the real world right now, not what you and I would prefer be available.

Re: Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear

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post #168

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I sincerely appreciate the offer. This problem is too “cold” to resurrect today, and far too late for our business. I would be glad to know that Google is taking steps to ensure this cannot happen in the future. Specifically: * When an Ads account is suspended it can be devastating to the business or the Google partner. We should have the opportunity to speak with human beings, to bring forth evidence to the contrary…

> This problem is too “cold” to resurrect today How long ago was it? It may not be...

> * When an Ads account is suspended it can be devastating to the business or the Google partner. We should have the opportunity to speak with human beings, to bring forth evidence to the contrary, and to escalate within Google instead of with attorneys.

Let's start with this! I too had a Google Ads randomly get nuked and had no way to talk to any customer service agent, after thousands of $ of spending a month.

Re: Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear

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post #77

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Sorry, are you saying that it is common for people to bribe insiders to bypass policy and hurt their competitors? This is the first time I've heard a story like this.

It's difficult to tell if you are being sarcastic or not.

I'm not being sarcastic

Re: Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear

#180

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It's difficult to tell if you are being sarcastic or not.

To the persons voting my comment into the dirt, I was being sincere. If you really have never heard of this type of thing occurring, then you are either willfully ignorant, or completely separated from the reality of how business is conducted with Google. I don't say this with malice, but with plain honesty. This is a fundamental part of how the interaction with Google works. To deny this so plainly can only make any…

> This is a fundamental part of how the interaction with Google works

Working in Ads at Google, this isn't something I've ever seen. If you're able to share details of cases where bribing insiders has happened (either here or to my email) I can look into them?

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