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Post by NicoJuicy »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #393
lenkite wrote: post #348

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I remember getting completely shut down by my American friends when I told them about atrocities committed by US soldiers and that Saddam had no nuclear weapons. It was like talking to a wall at the time. You don't understand - we are fighting this war for the world's safety, blah-blah. Maybe the next US war will be different ? I doubt it. US propaganda makes Russian propaganda look like amateur hour. Stuff that does…

Yep, and EU is no better... they even banned RT... imagine banning CNN when USA attacked afghanistan. But this is the start of the war, and there is A LOT of propaganda everywhere... everyone in the west is trying to show russia as losing everywhere, while they're conquering basically everything, on the other hand, they say that russians have destroyed whole cities, and only two short clips of the same building are s…

Eg.Yugoslavia's issues were internal.

Ps. A lot of people left RT because of it's propaganda and it's idiocracies even before the ban.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by moonchrome »

novosel wrote: post #523
moonchrome wrote: post #505

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>But it’s important to note that we haven’t chosen this government, we haven’t chosen this country we live in. From my perspective this is the only meaningful change you can make. If my government ever starts getting in my way too much I'll find another one. Voting with my feet literally. We have this luxury as in-demand professionals. Kind of hard for me to empathize with Russian developers when they had decades to…

And, where will You find it? (The new government I mean) Things are, The Reality is, much more complicated.

As a skilled developer ? Shouldn't be that hard - plenty of options to pick from. If you aren't fond of the US or EU there are other countries that have much better standard of living/ personal freedoms compared to Russia.

It's not easy in the sense that you'll just get a citizenship - but I have many former co-workers that went to Canada, US, Australia, etc., some got the permanent visa/citizenship, some are in the process.

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Post by SXX »

moonchrome wrote: post #505
artyomxyz wrote: post #378

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In some way you’re right. But it’s important to note that we haven’t chosen this government, we haven’t chosen this country we live in. I personally lost any hope to change it one year earlier after participating in pro-Navalny protests. Now, I just don’t want to have anything in common with this government. I’m choosing another one. And I’m not going to pay taxes to Russian government anymore

>But it’s important to note that we haven’t chosen this government, we haven’t chosen this country we live in. From my perspective this is the only meaningful change you can make. If my government ever starts getting in my way too much I'll find another one. Voting with my feet literally. We have this luxury as in-demand professionals. Kind of hard for me to empathize with Russian developers when they had decades to…

Yeah we (IT crowd of Russia) had time to leave and wanted to leave and planned to leave. But even as programmer it's can be just hard to immigrate without losing 3-5 years of your life in the middle. Also losing all you friends and social circle isn't fun. I already lived abroad for 3-months / 6-months / 3-years and I know what how it feels to move countries.

I personally had amazing personal projects going on and finally started to work in game development industry. My dream was to play games and make games. I wanted to get current projects to completion and then look for relocation options.

All these terrible events just taken us by surprise. A lot of my friends are anti-regime, but no one including me expected Putin to go batshit crazy and start full scale war. Of course all we could do is to run.

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Post by tw20212021 »

baq wrote: post #536
novosel wrote: post #523

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And, where will You find it? (The new government I mean) Things are, The Reality is, much more complicated.

Corrupt west, of course. At least you can say what you think. Most of the time.

Really? Just go to the east then

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Post by Daishiman »

djenendik wrote: post #534
throwaway_4ever wrote: post #510

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It originated as a consequence of a burgeoning free media environment due to the proliferation of smart phones and the internet. The younger generations, with their higher level of fluid intelligence, are able to approach things with better critical thinking and navigating the complexities of the internet world. The older generations aren't able to adapt and are sitting ducks for being easily manipulated by technolog…

This seems like wishful thinking. Young people are in no way manipulated by advertising and influencers et al. right?

Young people have dealt with trolls and a have a better grasp at getting what internet misinformation is and isn't. It's not great, but it's much better.

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Post by Lio »

pelasaco wrote: post #517
Lio wrote: post #331

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That is a legitimate worry but there’s no counter to it other than reminding Putin that a nuclear attack would cause a massive automated, nuclear counter attack that would destroy him too. There’s no defence against submarine based warheads; enough will get through. It’s the reason that NATO isn’t going establish a no fly zone over Ukraine. They know it too.

At this point, what do you think that Putin has to loose? The guy is 70 years old. An old, lonely, bitter man. His wife left him in 2013 and his kids are far away from him. All his Wealth is blocked, he will never be able to enjoy his life outside of his little empire. He has nothing to loose. He could choose the bunker, but maybe he decides to bring the whole world with him. And if he decided already, nothing that w…

Can’t say I disagree with the sentiment.

I can’t see what he has to gain from this war. There’s no upside for him.

All I can think is that he’s got something like Parkinson's, knows he’s on the way out and just wants throw his weight around one last time.

Honestly though your guess is as good as mine.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

tartoran wrote: post #221
lenkite wrote: post #130

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Didn't see any revolting Americans when the Iraq War was initiated.

The US is the country of protests, there were plenty of protests against that war. I’ve been to a few myself.

Me to. I protested 2 times against the war in Irak. I was still in high school then and almost everyone was protesting.

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Post by risyachka »

akrymski wrote: post #558
risyachka wrote: post #350

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Go watch how people go with bare hands to protest russian forces literally this minute. And yes, they don't risk 3-15 years of jail. They have hundreds of times higher chance to die. But they don't use it as an excuse.

There is a very small number of protesters. We'd need a million people to rise up in Moscow alone to make a difference. Putin has too much support among his voters atm. And the iron curtain only solidifies his propaganda machine.

>> There is a very small number of protesters.

You sure? Or just speculate to support your point?

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Post by freedomben »

artyomxyz wrote: post #378
andrey123 wrote: post #316

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[Disclaimer: Russian] According to my estimations, probably at least 95% of people who are "against the war" do not go out to participate in protests. My estimations are based on talking to my colleagues (large IT company). Yes, starting from now, protesting becomes more risky (you may go to jail for years if you get caught second time). But just a week ago, it was mostly harmless (yes, some people get arrested for f…

In some way you’re right. But it’s important to note that we haven’t chosen this government, we haven’t chosen this country we live in. I personally lost any hope to change it one year earlier after participating in pro-Navalny protests. Now, I just don’t want to have anything in common with this government. I’m choosing another one. And I’m not going to pay taxes to Russian government anymore

For what it's worth, if anything, I think you're a hero and I deeply appreciate your efforts. You're doing more than the vast majority of people (in any country) would do. It's just far more easy to change your principles than to live them and most people choose the path of least resistance.

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Post by akrymski »

adrian_b wrote: post #342
akrymski wrote: post #293

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I'm 100% against the war, but the American hypocrisy here is next level. This isn't an ethnic genocide. Had Putin wanted to kill civilians you wouldn't have 100s of deaths but millions like in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just like the US he is looking to overturn the government. The reality is that some people in Ukraine (Donbas and large portion of the East) do support Russia. Truth is never black and white.

You are right that there are many people in Ukraine who support Russia. However, we should not forget why this is so. During WWII and after WWII, the Russians have forcibly moved a very large number of people from the territory that is now in Ukraine, to various unpleasant locations in the Soviet Union, mostly in Siberia. Then they have brought Russian colonists, who were settled usually in the houses from which the…

Most definitely. And I believe that was the option Putin proposed to Zelensky, as long as he agrees to not join NATO.
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