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Post by eb0la »

xiphias2 wrote: post #216
therusskiy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a big crypto sceptic for a long time, but with the current situation I had to deposit a lot of money to Binance, because Russian banks/government has stopped allowing people to withdraw USD from ATMs, forbidden transfers to other countries (only $5k/m to relatives), forbidden to cross borders with more than $10k (not they are possible to cross at all now).

If you don't own the private key, you are not really ahead. Money of Russian people on crypto exchanges will be frozen. Buy a Trezor, it can save your financial life.

Even better: switch addresses every 2-5 transactions (max). This is might be costly buy this way you are harder to track.

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Post by ericmay »

pydry wrote: post #215
yoavm wrote: post #71

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Repeating the parent comment - What's the option, though? What better things can we do to help the > 1,000,000 Ukrainian refugees, and all the other millions that are currently being bombed by Russia? Putin _is_ getting his power from the Russian people. It's unfortunate they believe his lies, but they do, and that's what makes him strong.

Negotiate a truce with Putin that involved decoupling NATO from Ukraine and devolve centralized power to Ukrainian states.

So only some countries have the right to decide their international affairs? Might as well make the same argument for Germany or France. Putin is mad so therefore decouple these countries from NATO.

Ya know The Us feels very threatened by Belarus. They should have to withdraw from their alliance from Russia and decouple. Otherwise we’ll invade and neutralize it ourselves.

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Post by axg11 »

optimalonpaper wrote: post #192

No one thinks that a regular Ivan from some russian city (on his own) is responsible for the war and should suffer. And I see how you could (and probably should, at some level) feel sorry for russians fleeing the country. But this is the only way to tell them that they -- collective Ivans, Russian society as a whole -- should stand up and act: they should articulate their content, they should protest against putin's…

I see both sides to this. Yes, Russians should protest against the horrible actions of their government.

On the other hand, if you’re an average Russian with few/no international ties, would you really risk protesting against a government with a demonstrated track record of murdering dissidents and imprisoning protestors?

NATO/the West is choosing to worsen the lives of 144 million Russian citizens due to the actions of ~several hundred people. I don’t disagree with the sanctions but we also shouldn’t pretend that it is a just or fair course of action. Sanctions are the best tool that we have, out of a selection of poor tools.

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Post by soared »

throw-me-out wrote: post #97
daenz wrote: post #64

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>there is talk of martial law in Russia I want to highlight this, because I think it illustrates my point about propaganda. I dug around for a source on that statement, and this appears the most reliable source[0]. An anonymous EU official picking up on "signs". Again, this also may be totally true, but it's presented in such a flimsy way, how can a reasonable person be expected to believe it at face value? Am I sayi…

Well, this was coming straight from Russian officials: https://tass.ru/politika/13873997

Ah found it - it denies they will institute martial law, but that definitely qualifies as it being talked about

https://tass.ru/politika/13980355

(Clearly very a pro-Russia site fyi)

Does anyone understand what this means: “Russia is considering the decriminalization of economic crimes, especially damages”?

Very interesting site to read! Perhaps you linked the wrong article though, that one is about Russia being kicked out of some EU groups and them saying they don’t care.

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Post by egao1980 »

There are some people who would see this as an opportunity to abuse EU migration laws. Some people fear to lose their outsourcing jobs. But the numbers are low.

Also West is definitely attacking Russians and not Russian government now. How on Earth cancelling Dostoevski, Chekvhov and Tchaikovski is going to stop the war and change Russian government policies? It resembles more to me some early XX century antisemitism that was rampant in Europe.

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Post by pelasaco »

croes wrote: post #186
Mikeb85 wrote: post #124

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>Fleeing the country is a strong peaceful revolt on the other hand No, it just ensures that the only people left in Russia are the ones who support Putin. And like I said, Ukrainians have no choice. Why should Russians? As another poster said, even autocracies need a certain level of support to operate. It's not fair to punish Russians but their country is literally waging a full scale war while threatening the west…

The Nazis were stopped from outside and the USSR by people from it's government because of it's economic downfall.

but do we all agree that the World history would be different if the ordinary german people would oppose the concentration camps and genocide? The ordinary russian people are IMO in the same position right now.

They. Have. To stop. Putin!

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Post by akrymski »

lolinder wrote: post #93
Tistron wrote: post #47

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Everywhere I've seen anyone motivate restrictions on Russian citizens it's been about pushing them to revolt against their government, not about punishing. I don't know whether it makes sense, but it does seem like one of few avenues to try to get rid of putin that has low chance of resulting in atomic war.

At this point, it doesn't look at all like we can practically expect a popular revolt. For me there are two outcomes to target with the sanctions: * Make life unpleasant enough for the oligarchs that they replace Putin with someone less intent on ruining the nice thing they had going. * Handicap Russia's ability to wage war. This includes eliminating their ability to buy supplies and destroying their morale. It's the…

Oligarchs don't run the country. They have zero control. It's like saying let's sanction Elon Musk for Iraq. The country is run by the military. Protesters are jailed for 3-5 years.

Cornering a dictator with a nuke is the stupidest foreign policy I can think of.

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Post by ericmay »

lolinder wrote: post #238
Mikeb85 wrote: post #229

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> From both a humanitarian and a strategic perspective, embracing Russian defectors is the very most important thing that we can be doing right now that we aren't already doing. The only reason not to do so is hate. No, the most humanitarian thing to do is end a war in which civilians are actually being killed. Not embracing those who supported Putin get to this point but suddenly flee when they're personally inconve…

How does persecuting Russians who flee Putin's regime help end the war sooner?

To make it fair why not have them renounce citizenship and publicly disavow Putin or something? State their full name, former address, etc. Just to make sure they don’t support Putin and never have.

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Post by jstx1 »

qiskit wrote: post #202
jstx1 wrote: post #32

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You should still believe the reporting of actual events done by the major international news orgs. You don't need to go into opinion pieces or into hypothesizing.

> You should still believe the reporting of actual events done by the major international news orgs. Would you say we should believe major russian news orgs? Healthy skepticism is required, especially during times of war. There is a reason why each side banned the other's media, social media, etc. So that they can spread propaganda without pushback. The first casualty in war is the truth.

Skepticism is fine but this isn’t a symmetrical problem where you should treat the two sides equally. Their incentives and credibility aren’t the same.
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