Right, on March 8th two largest Russian airlines suspend all international flights. People get the hell out of Russia while they can.
Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends
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#82I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…
a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. maybe these people have grown in better functioning democracies (unlike Russia or my own country) so they act as if the people were well represented by their governments; unlike reality for most countries with a serious corruption problem.
I have another explanation for this. Most people, even the decent ones, get an uncontrollable build-up of anger when they learn about the war, and they have a need to release this anger somehow. This need is like the need to pee: it won't go away by itself. These people rightfully realise that "peeing" at the true offenders - the putin's gang - isn't an option, so they turn to easy targets, I mean the average russians. Somewhere in the back of their head they realise that it's wrong, but their much stronger animal part of their brain strongly supports punishing members of the enemy tribe.
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#83I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…
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As an American who has had plenty of disagreement with acts of violence by my government in the past, I have to say I have more sympathy for a Russian who is in this position now. Even in democracies, marching in anti-war protests and voting for anti-war candidates at the next election doesn't always seem to have much impact on the government's behavior, at least in the short term.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair chance it would turn into a bloodbath. Better would a national strike. Equally difficult to organize but much harder to attack.
I'm talking about ALL the people that are against Putin. Which if this guy is to be believed is most of the people. They are not going to kill most of their own people. A million people marching in Moscow would change minds.
> A million people marching in Moscow would change minds.
How? What would they do? They would march and riot and protest and then after a day or two they would go home. Meanwhile the politicians will just wait it out and the show will go on (see Belarus).
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#85I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…
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So will you send all the north korean refugees back to fight their dictator?
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#86Instead of Google trends, it would be interesting to see how this shows up in geolocation datasets
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except that there is plenty of evidence that this is really the case. Russians are crossing the border in unprecedented numbers, for instance: https://yle.fi/news/3-12345301 Flying is getting harder and harder so while the borders are still open (there is talk of martial law in Russia, which, even though it was just denied does not seem to have much effect on calming things down, in fact the denial seems to have the…
>there is talk of martial law in Russia I want to highlight this, because I think it illustrates my point about propaganda. I dug around for a source on that statement, and this appears the most reliable source[0]. An anonymous EU official picking up on "signs". Again, this also may be totally true, but it's presented in such a flimsy way, how can a reasonable person be expected to believe it at face value? Am I sayi…
Rumours are not propaganda.
No you haven't discovered a vast EU-wide conspiracy or someone 'saying the quiet part out loud'. Nobody knows what is going on and naturally there is lots of speculation to fill the void.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Go on Twitter, Telegram, YouTube, anywhere. You'll see plenty of primary videos and accounts corroborating this. You're right, 1 source alone isn't reliable. But there's a massive body of evidence out there, this whole war has been televised. And the Ukrainian narrative has way more evidence than the Russian one...
Those are all primarily western platforms. Even if they did show what you are claiming, it wouldn’t prove your point. RT is blocked on Telegram and YouTube for instance.
Telegram was created by a Russian.
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#89I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…
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“ Another reason we don't like Russians is”
And that’s how wars are maintained. They vs us. Who is we?? How can you dislike millions of people just because they were born inside a border different than yours?
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#90There's nothing surprising about it. There is at least one recent, well documented case of mass emigration due to the economic collapse of an authoritarian regime. Millions of people have left Venezuela since the late 2000s [1]. Considering Russia is barely richer than Spain whilst having 3x the population and the fact it's about to get much worse, I would expect millions of Russians to leave in the next few years.