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Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by lolinder » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:32 PM UTC

bsedlm wrote: post #11

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. maybe these people have grown in better functioning democracies (unlike Russia or my own country) so they act as if the people were well represented by their governments; unlike reality for most countries with a serious corruption problem.

I'm all for annihilating Russia's economy (even if it means civilians are caught in the crossfire) but the treatment GP received after leaving is extremely disheartening. The goal should be to welcome fleeing Russians with open arms and make it as easy as possible for them to permanently put down roots.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by hidudeurcool » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:32 PM UTC

flavius29663 wrote: post #44

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

I hope you still believe that Russian is shelling civilian cities, because that is on video

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Post by jdrc » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:33 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

it s not like there are no checks at airports, it should be obvious if there is a trend

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by daenz » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:33 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #24

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

Except that there is plenty of evidence that this is really the case. Russians are crossing the border in unprecedented numbers, for instance: https://yle.fi/news/3-12345301 Flying is getting harder and harder so while the borders are still open (there is talk of martial law in Russia, which, even though it was just denied does not seem to have much effect on calming things down, in fact the denial seems to have the…

>there is talk of martial law in Russia

I want to highlight this, because I think it illustrates my point about propaganda. I dug around for a source on that statement, and this appears the most reliable source[0]. An anonymous EU official picking up on "signs". Again, this also may be totally true, but it's presented in such a flimsy way, how can a reasonable person be expected to believe it at face value?

Am I saying the quiet part out loud? Should I not question the propaganda if it is something that I think helps the situation? It's not my nature, but it seems like that's what people are doing.

0. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-says-it-is-picking-u...

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Post by jacquesm » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:33 PM UTC

formvoltron wrote: post #51

jacquesm wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair chance it would turn into a bloodbath. Better would a national strike. Equally difficult to organize but much harder to attack.

I'm talking about ALL the people that are against Putin. Which if this guy is to be believed is most of the people. They are not going to kill most of their own people. A million people marching in Moscow would change minds.

I agree it would change minds. And at the same time I'm pretty sure it would end in a bloodbath. Passive resistance against a dictatorship is a lot safer than active resistance. Of course the latter sends a more powerful message but it makes it obvious who to target, when and where and the reflexive response will be to lash out. Still, there is safety in numbers so maybe it would work. But I would not immediately bet on it, otoh simply crippling the Russian economy further could be achieved by inaction.

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Post by therusskiy » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

formvoltron wrote: post #34

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

We are afraid Putin will use nuclear weapons. We don't like that he came from a KGB background and that he seems to be friends with mafia. And that he likes to assassinate his rivals. If the Russian people are so much against Putin and on the side of the West, then why not arrange them to all leave their apartments at the same time, to walk into their central squares, and to start shaking their keys -- as the Czechs…

Unfortunately, not all Russians are against this war, many people don't even know that there's war, because as of now even saying "Stop War" is punishable by 3 years in Prison, distributing non official information about the war is punishable by 15 years in prison. All free media is banned as of now, newspapers closed down so their journalists don't go to prison.

As for protest, if you think there's a lot of military in Ukraine, wait and see how much military is in Russia. There's 400k "internal" army alone that is dedicated to fighting its own people. Putin has created this army after the Ukranian revolution so the same thing doesn't happen here.

In Belarus 95% of people were against Lukashenko and took to streets like wildfire after the rigged election a year ago, did it help? As long as he controls the military protests can only do so much.

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Post by kgeist » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

formvoltron wrote: post #60

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

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>You are Russian and therefore you are responsible for your government's actions.

Imho that works in democracies, not dictatorships. Putin is holding Russians hostage.

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Post by ecf » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

formvoltron wrote: post #60

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

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Can’t have an autocracy without the willing participation of apathetic citizens.

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Post by jdrc » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

formvoltron wrote: post #60

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

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That's easy to say for people on the outside. Russians who want change can influence one another, build up awareness, but standing in front of tanks will just most likely lead to pulverization

and it's not like russians are strangers to popular uprising, but the trauma of the fall of the soviet empire has a poisonous influence not just on the old generations

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Post by CGamesPlay » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

Do you have a source for the flights thing? I hadn't heard that yet.

Was your phone inspected when you left the country? Were you interviewed?