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Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I've never heard what's the actual problem with whatabaoutism. If you do bad things and get away with those, quit preaching at least.

It's a thought-extinguishing tactic. It attempts to redirect or scatter attention away from the topic at hand. This could be in a misguided sincere attempt to draw analogies, or could be more nefarious. Whataboutism seems to commonly occur when some agent of power is being criticized.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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If you'd like to listen to the broadcast over shortwave but don't have a radio at home, there are many SDR receivers online throughout the world. I've had good luck with this map https://rx-tx.info/map-sdr-points

The WebSDR station of Uni Twente always amazes me for it's good reception. Must have to do with their antenna placement. Details on the page: http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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What is the best type of radio, or best type of radios, to have in the event of a protracted, possibly nuclear conflict? Ready.gov suggests a hand crank or NOAA weather radio. Specifically, I suppose some good goals would be: 1. Receive instructions from any functioning local or state government. This would require that the local government know which type of radio the populace is likely to be listening on, which giv…

probably an SDR? :)

Do you have any suggestions for I'm guessing like a USB receiver?

I just ordered a baofeng half out of late night panic, half out of interest in radio/learning about Ham licensing. I know it has a USB so can program it so would be legal without a license to broadcast. But I think can still listen without modifications.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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A very small minority wanted to return to Russian rule on the eve of the invasion according to polling of Ukrainian people. And even if they did want to return to Russian rule (which they didn't), the just thing would've been to hold a referendum. They are a democracy after all.

>A very small minority >hold a referendum. They are a democracy These don't match. Democracy is rule of the majority. The minority is powerless and can be abused as much as the majority wishes.

Ahem, that's the caricature simplified version of democracy you see used a lot by Western capitalist think tanks meant to discourage people from democracy.

Protections of minorities are by most republics understood to be integral to a healthy democracy. Not simple rule by majority. That's why most voting systems are not FPTP.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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I've never heard what's the actual problem with whatabaoutism. If you do bad things and get away with those, quit preaching at least.

It's a thought-extinguishing tactic. It attempts to redirect or scatter attention away from the topic at hand. This could be in a misguided sincere attempt to draw analogies, or could be more nefarious. Whataboutism seems to commonly occur when some agent of power is being criticized.

In addition Whataboutism never tries to deliver an argument in favour of your position, only arguments against other positions.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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What is the best type of radio, or best type of radios, to have in the event of a protracted, possibly nuclear conflict? Ready.gov suggests a hand crank or NOAA weather radio. Specifically, I suppose some good goals would be: 1. Receive instructions from any functioning local or state government. This would require that the local government know which type of radio the populace is likely to be listening on, which giv…

SWLing Post has a lot of info. Very friendly group there.

https://swling.com/blog/2022/03/everyone-should-have-a-short...

https://swling.com/blog/resources/shortwave-radio-reviews/

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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Shortwave is neat and everything, but isn't this also the bailiwick of Tor and pluggable transports and the whole internet anti-censorship ecosystem?

Receiving shortwave radio doesn't require a functioning internet. Actually it doesn't require any infrastructure at all. Just a radio and a battery.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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I don't think referenda make much of a difference. 96% of Crimea ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum ) voted to join Russia and 96% of Luhansk ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums ) voted to leave Ukraine after the 2014 overthrow. Nothing much came out of it except 14,000 being killed in Donbas as result https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain.…

These number are provided by Russian government. How can you be sure that they are true? Also, those so called "referenda" did not conform to Ukrainian laws.

How can you be sure they are not true?

During these last 30 years there's been 3 different referenda about Crimea, all with roughly the same outcomes.

> Also, those so called "referenda" did not conform to Ukrainian laws.

US independence did also not conform to British laws, the existence of Kurdistan is not conform with Iraqi or Syrian national laws, Catalonian independence would not be conform with Spanish law, yet there is a human right to self determination.

What's also not conform, with a whole slew of national laws, is violently overthrowing a democratically elected government, as it happened in Kyiv 2014.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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What is the best type of radio, or best type of radios, to have in the event of a protracted, possibly nuclear conflict? Ready.gov suggests a hand crank or NOAA weather radio. Specifically, I suppose some good goals would be: 1. Receive instructions from any functioning local or state government. This would require that the local government know which type of radio the populace is likely to be listening on, which giv…

probably an SDR? :)

SDR maybe useful if you already got a bunker to host and power the equipment needed. But if you already got a bunker, why not install a more powerful station?

Realistically, you probably want to have something mobile and not power-consuming, plus a solar panel (or any kind of generator). So maybe a set of LoRa device and/or goTenna, HAM radio + backup batteries, and AM/FM radios.

Or maybe just HAM radio + backup batteries.

I think I might just reignited my desire for a HAM radio license...just kidding, I'm living in a small city of 3KM radius, I'm will not survive the fireball if a nuke decided to hit us. So good luck for you, I guess.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a thought-extinguishing tactic. It attempts to redirect or scatter attention away from the topic at hand. This could be in a misguided sincere attempt to draw analogies, or could be more nefarious. Whataboutism seems to commonly occur when some agent of power is being criticized.

In addition Whataboutism never tries to deliver an argument in favour of your position, only arguments against other positions.

It is usually invoked in the fashion:

- We have this and that reason to do {thing}.

- These reasons are laughable and you still don't have excuse to do {thing}.

- What about when you did {thing} with ever worse reasons stated?

In this case I would say whataboutism is justified, or at least, no constructive dialogue is possible.

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