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Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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These photos kind of perfectly sum up just how bizarre the situation is.

Sadly, it seems more russians are concerned about not getting a BILLY than standing up to Putin.

If spreading “fake news” about Putin could get you locked up for 15 years you might be equally disinclined to protest.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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What I'm curious about all the sanctions is what if Russia changes? Say Putin quits or is killed and the replacement withdraws from Ukraine. Are we back on again?

The sanctions will likely ease. Back to normal? The reason Europe reacted is not so much in defense of the Ukrainian democracy (though there is also that), but because Russia became a direct threat to European states (Baltic states, Poland, Czech Republic, etc), and therefore had to be stopped in Ukraine. It may take a while before Russia is not deemed a threat anymore.

It might take many years until companies return. Nobody wants to risk getting bitten twice.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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They say every crisis is an opportunity. This could be a great opportunity for Russian owned brands to establish themselves and thrive later when the crisis is hopefully resolved.

I talked with friends in Moscow at the beginning of 2020. They said there were simply no good alternatives to IKEA. There were reasonable furniture from Belarus if one looked for things made from whole wood, but then one still may need to hire somebody to fix/adjust it due to quality control issues. Plus there were small Russian companies, but their stuff while good was expensive. Things that were produced by bigger Russian companies that were supposed to give alternative to IKEA, were really of low quality.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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They say every crisis is an opportunity. This could be a great opportunity for Russian owned brands to establish themselves and thrive later when the crisis is hopefully resolved.

Provided they are vertically integrated and own the entire supply chain. Otherwise they will find that planes not flying in/out and container ships not delivering will make it hard to import anything at scale. Not that they could pay for goods anyway. Also I suspect China may use its new found leverage to flood the Russian market with their goods.

That's a smart take I have not fully thought through.

Beyond just economically, perhaps potential big gains politically by using money & leverage to become the controlling mother that Russia is to Belarus, making russia the dependent & ruled child.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putin is 69 in a country where average age at death is 73. So the most likely scenario is that the status quo remains until he passes away. At which point there would be an opportunity for a clean reset in relations.

Gorbachev is 91 and still alive.

Yeah I think it's a false statistics lens people look through.

Because a lot of death occurs young, brining the average down. But if you survive into adult hood you have good shot at living longer.

Plus he has way more resources than the average Russian.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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They say every crisis is an opportunity. This could be a great opportunity for Russian owned brands to establish themselves and thrive later when the crisis is hopefully resolved.

Provided they are vertically integrated and own the entire supply chain. Otherwise they will find that planes not flying in/out and container ships not delivering will make it hard to import anything at scale. Not that they could pay for goods anyway. Also I suspect China may use its new found leverage to flood the Russian market with their goods.

there are plenty of planes flying in and out, container ships delivering, and cross border payments happening, right now.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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The Cold War ended when McDonald’s went up in red square. Now what?

I went to that McDonalds about 3 months after it opened, it was a well planned family outings. It still is one of my favorite stories that I tell. The line was about an hour long. Once you got within 15 minutes of the doors, there were helpers who helped people who have never been with explanations of what to expect and how to order, and helped one plan an order. I got in and ordered a hamburger and Coke, and I remem…

I (an American teen) also ate there in April 1990, with partially overlapping observations. The food was higher quality than anything else I ate during a week in Moscow, but it struck me as pretty standard McDonald's fare. As for the line, it was very long, but moved in fast spurts. Customers were admitted in waves and it was the most efficient retail orchestration I'd ever seen. There was some magical blend of Soviet queuing efficiency and fast food efficiency going on that left a deep impression.
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