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BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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Shortwave is neat and everything, but isn't this also the bailiwick of Tor and pluggable transports and the whole internet anti-censorship ecosystem?

BBC added an onion server too:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50150981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21343241

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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What is the best type of radio, or best type of radios, to have in the event of a protracted, possibly nuclear conflict? Ready.gov suggests a hand crank or NOAA weather radio. Specifically, I suppose some good goals would be: 1. Receive instructions from any functioning local or state government. This would require that the local government know which type of radio the populace is likely to be listening on, which giv…

probably an SDR? :)

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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What measures does the Russian government take to prevent access to foreign media?

Russian authorities block access to internet sites they don't like. I imagine that on a technical level it's not hard to bypass those blocks, but the vast majority of the population is neither motivated nor technically savvy enough to do that.

I don't know about foreign media specifically, but in the last couple of days they shut down some of the few remaining independent media outlets (TV Rain and Echo of Moscow) and have reportedly completely blocked access to Twitter and Facebook:

https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/75547/

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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post #7

Due to the high possibility of censorship on so many sites, coupled with a constantly shifting mainstream narrative, it’s hard to believe any headline coming from a mainstream (approved) source. Ukraine, for instance, seems to be a divided country, much like the US, where there is an approved narrative and near blanket censorship. Some Ukrainians want to return to Russian rule, and some want the West to intervene. In…

A very small minority wanted to return to Russian rule on the eve of the invasion according to polling of Ukrainian people. And even if they did want to return to Russian rule (which they didn't), the just thing would've been to hold a referendum. They are a democracy after all.

I don't think referenda make much of a difference. 96% of Crimea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum) voted to join Russia and 96% of Luhansk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums) voted to leave Ukraine after the 2014 overthrow. Nothing much came out of it except 14,000 being killed in Donbas as result https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain....

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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Here's a recent Youtube capture of BBC World Service war broadcast on 5875 kHz shortwave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsrOzB2Cfgs

(I also submitted it to HN yesterday, but this current thread has more comments already, so I won't reference the previous discussion here.)

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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Due to the high possibility of censorship on so many sites, coupled with a constantly shifting mainstream narrative, it’s hard to believe any headline coming from a mainstream (approved) source. Ukraine, for instance, seems to be a divided country, much like the US, where there is an approved narrative and near blanket censorship. Some Ukrainians want to return to Russian rule, and some want the West to intervene. In…

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Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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post #13

What measures does the Russian government take to prevent access to foreign media?

Russian authorities block access to internet sites they don't like. I imagine that on a technical level it's not hard to bypass those blocks, but the vast majority of the population is neither motivated nor technically savvy enough to do that. I don't know about foreign media specifically, but in the last couple of days they shut down some of the few remaining independent media outlets (TV Rain and Echo of Moscow) an…

The federal agency Roskomnadzor also blocked access to the Russian language portal of Estonian Public Broadcasting because of war reporting: https://news.err.ee/1608512684/russia-blocks-err-s-russian-p...

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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Due to the high possibility of censorship on so many sites, coupled with a constantly shifting mainstream narrative, it’s hard to believe any headline coming from a mainstream (approved) source. Ukraine, for instance, seems to be a divided country, much like the US, where there is an approved narrative and near blanket censorship. Some Ukrainians want to return to Russian rule, and some want the West to intervene. In…

No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I've never heard what's the actual problem with whatabaoutism.

If you do bad things and get away with those, quit preaching at least.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A very small minority wanted to return to Russian rule on the eve of the invasion according to polling of Ukrainian people. And even if they did want to return to Russian rule (which they didn't), the just thing would've been to hold a referendum. They are a democracy after all.

I don't think referenda make much of a difference. 96% of Crimea ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum ) voted to join Russia and 96% of Luhansk ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums ) voted to leave Ukraine after the 2014 overthrow. Nothing much came out of it except 14,000 being killed in Donbas as result https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain.…

These number are provided by Russian government. How can you be sure that they are true?

Also, those so called "referenda" did not conform to Ukrainian laws.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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post #7

Due to the high possibility of censorship on so many sites, coupled with a constantly shifting mainstream narrative, it’s hard to believe any headline coming from a mainstream (approved) source. Ukraine, for instance, seems to be a divided country, much like the US, where there is an approved narrative and near blanket censorship. Some Ukrainians want to return to Russian rule, and some want the West to intervene. In…

A very small minority wanted to return to Russian rule on the eve of the invasion according to polling of Ukrainian people. And even if they did want to return to Russian rule (which they didn't), the just thing would've been to hold a referendum. They are a democracy after all.

>A very small minority

>hold a referendum. They are a democracy

These don't match. Democracy is rule of the majority. The minority is powerless and can be abused as much as the majority wishes.

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