Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th • Hacker News Board

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by CamperBob2 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:18 AM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #442

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Because SALT deduction benefits only go to the top 5% to 10% income households. That's not a reason. Double taxation of individuals is not OK.

I do not see how it is “double taxation”. The whole setup of the US is that there are multiple taxing authorities, and they can all lay claim to a portion of one’s income. There is no law that says two different governments each cannot collect x% of your income. What reason there is for one to need to be able to reduce amounts owed to entity A simply because they also owe entity B? Entity A and B can be a retail stor…

It's double taxation if two entirely-different entities lay claim to a percentage of pretax income. The same income is being taxed twice. To my thinking, it comes down to the basic division of responsibilities between the Federal, state, and local governments. Simply adding another layer should not require additional tax funding; the question should only be how the income tax an individual pays is distributed between the layers.

Fortunately, that's one advantage to the system we have -- if you don't feel that Sacramento and Washington, DC should both get a crack at your income, you can always move to a state with no income tax. I did.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by irrational » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:21 AM UTC

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A lot of people have been saying that they'd rather quit their job than go back to the office, next few months are gonna be very interesting.

This is me. But my boss’s boss doesn’t want to go back to the office either and every meeting she is saying that she is working to make it so we are all remote. I’m waiting to see what happens before I jump ship.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by raydev » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:23 AM UTC

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But there is legitimate reason to villify. I can't speak for Apple specifically, but many companies are no longer matching the CoL increases. Housing prices are steadily increasing, and so is rent. Many have to resort to longer commutes, buying cars, and such. All of these have detrimental effects to the environment, mental health or both. Pushing people back to the office with nothing else is incredibly tonedeaf to…

You may not like hearing this but if you're a white-collar worker earning 6 figures and guaranteed to continue earning 6 figures for the rest of your career, you aren't entitled to CoL increases. Your employer is not a villain nor are they morally culpable just because they've made a business decision around how much salary increases they want to give their already privileged employees. Or a business decision regardi…

> I would be furious if my ex-employer was giving me bad references just because I wanted to work-from-home or asked for a higher salary. And I would similarly not go around vilifying my ex-employer just because they wanted to offer me a lower salary or have me in the office regularly.

That's not similar at all. The employer has all the power and money, not the individual. If the individual did, they wouldn't need to work anymore.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by dehrmann » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:24 AM UTC

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> More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years That's surprising. Do you have a source?

Deaths this week in California are higher than at any time in 2020, when every office and school was closed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/corona...

> 2020

That's a convenient time window. If you extend it even one month into 2021, you include the large winter surge.

> at any time in 2020

It looks like today's 7-day average deaths in CA (192) is below the Dec 31, 2020 number (250).

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by CamperBob2 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:24 AM UTC

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They have not only become exactly what they fought against, they've refined it to perfection.

But it is a non-sequitur because Apple hasn't let any world changing tech developed by there employees to be spun out with no financial interest.

Yeah, and that's the idea behind the complaint. After getting their start thanks in part to HP's generosity, Apple's management tries to do everything possible to make sure the same thing doesn't happen at their company. It's hypocrisy in action.

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:26 AM UTC

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The PR Firm Impact Research sent a report to the Democrats on Feb 22, 2022 urging them to lift all restrictions & claim victory for political points. Immediately after, restrictions lifted. Do your own assessment of the facts. Leaked memo https://punchbowl.news/impact-covid-positioning-strategy-mem...

So you contend that "the Democrats" (who obviously are a fully united entity who never disagree) should have kept all the restrictions even though the Omicron wave is ending? What should they have done?

Damned if they did, damned if the didn’t. Republicans have it out for the Democrats, they can’t make a decision that they won’t call out as the wrong one.

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:29 AM UTC

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So you contend that "the Democrats" (who obviously are a fully united entity who never disagree) should have kept all the restrictions even though the Omicron wave is ending? What should they have done?

I don't care who's in charge. I care if suggestions/mandates fit the data. As of today, daily new cases in California are 2x-4x and deaths around 2x what they were in November. If in a week they are 1x then ok, open. But before then? Further, I guess it remains to be seen but I'd suspect lifting the restrictions will just rebound the numbers. Happy if I'm wrong though. I certainly would like to go to meetups, bars, e…

Most of the serious cases/deaths are unvaccinated. Since they made that choice to endure that extra risk, there simply is no reason for the rest of us to carry on with the consequences of their choices.

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Post by patrick451 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:29 AM UTC

greggman3 wrote: post #331

birken wrote: post #222

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So you contend that "the Democrats" (who obviously are a fully united entity who never disagree) should have kept all the restrictions even though the Omicron wave is ending? What should they have done?

I don't care who's in charge. I care if suggestions/mandates fit the data. As of today, daily new cases in California are 2x-4x and deaths around 2x what they were in November. If in a week they are 1x then ok, open. But before then? Further, I guess it remains to be seen but I'd suspect lifting the restrictions will just rebound the numbers. Happy if I'm wrong though. I certainly would like to go to meetups, bars, e…

There was no guarantee we got it right (however you define that) six months ago. So it makes zero sense to match today's policy to the policy six months ago just because the case counts are similar. This is just cargo culted public policy.

Secondly, countless times we have seen a negative correlation between restrictions and case/death counts.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by benrbray » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:31 AM UTC

sunsetSamurai wrote: post #453

A lot of people have been saying that they'd rather quit their job than go back to the office, next few months are gonna be very interesting.

fwiw I just quit my first full-time job out of school in part because remote work has really held back my productivity + career growth. I started in May 2020 and have only met my coworkers a handful of times, and it's depressing. Among the students and early-career tech workers I know, working-from-home is almost universally a negative rather than a positive.

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Post by newfriend » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:39 AM UTC

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paxys wrote: post #291

I suspect we are going to see some turmoil in the tech hiring space with stock prices taking a beating in recent months. Large companies have gotten away with paying under market price for talent because employees have seen massive gains from stock appreciation over the last decade. If total comp starts going down year over year, suddenly the more traditional, no-frills system at places like Apple, Microsoft and Amaz…

Under market??? This sounds incredibly disconnected from reality.

Yes, under market for top level engineers. They have relied on stock growth to make up a large part of total compensation.