Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th • Hacker News Board

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by shadytrees » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:02 AM UTC

nomel wrote: post #315

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The not-just-poll-driven view of this is that you also should take into account: - for many - not all, but many - of the more vulnerable to hospitalization and death, it's now a matter of choice. - As a result, a bigger spike in cases caused much fewer hospitalizations and deaths than previous spikes, meaning less impact on the rest of the health system. - behavior has changed dramatically in terms of things like eve…

> masks are cheaper and more available than they were earlier Where I live (California), nearly everyone is using surgical masks or cloth masks, which have been proven to be almost entirely decorative, or none at all, so I have trouble believing this. Perhaps for the vulnerable population.

Counterpoint: I see a lot of (K)N95 masks on the MTA subway. At least 50% during rush hour. I think people here know about how useless the other masks are.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by astrange » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:04 AM UTC

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> More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. There is a huge difference between "dying with COVID" and "dying from COVID".

> There is a huge difference between "dying with COVID" and "dying from COVID". The distinction you're making isn't new - it's literally years old at this point.

No, people were always saying it but have only accidentally become correct now due to sufficient vaccination and omicron's lower fatality. The risk of death from COVID is now a bit less than the flu.

Note it's still bad, you don't want to catch it. But you don't want to catch the flu either. People who think the flu is nothing are confusing it with a common cold - I got a flu Jan 2020 and couldn't get out of bed for days.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by outside1234 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:05 AM UTC

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Not FAANG, but GitHub explicitly allows employees to work on side-projects while retaining the IP rights, and you get paid Microsoft stock.

Whats hilarious is that this is definitely not the case for regular MS employees

It is in California at least - you can moonlight on whatever you want when you are not on company time or equipment.

Our vacation also doesn't expire and we also don't have non-compete clauses.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by dylan604 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:05 AM UTC

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Lots of constituents don't want to wear a seatbelt. Lots of constituents want to drink before the age of 21. Lots of constituents want to buy alcohol after midnight and on a Sunday before noon. Lots of constituents want lots of things that the reps clearly ignore. Where do you draw the line of "as it should be" and "those damn gov't bastards!!"?

And arguably each and every one of those things should be legal.

That was my point. The people want, but the reps deny.

It's not a representative gov't at all. I forget the term for it, but if you speak it in public to the sheeple that still want to believe in representative gov't, you become the bad guy in the conversation.

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Post by paxys » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:05 AM UTC

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paxys wrote: post #291

I suspect we are going to see some turmoil in the tech hiring space with stock prices taking a beating in recent months. Large companies have gotten away with paying under market price for talent because employees have seen massive gains from stock appreciation over the last decade. If total comp starts going down year over year, suddenly the more traditional, no-frills system at places like Apple, Microsoft and Amaz…

> Large companies have gotten away with paying under market price for talent because employees have seen massive gains from stock appreciation over the last decade. Are you sure these places pay "below market price"? Just curious, what companies would pay significantly more than FAANG?

Look at sites like levels.fyi. The usual FAANG suspects aren't anywhere near the top of these comp lists these days.

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Post by ryeights » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:06 AM UTC

paxys wrote: post #291

I suspect we are going to see some turmoil in the tech hiring space with stock prices taking a beating in recent months. Large companies have gotten away with paying under market price for talent because employees have seen massive gains from stock appreciation over the last decade. If total comp starts going down year over year, suddenly the more traditional, no-frills system at places like Apple, Microsoft and Amaz…

Under market???

This sounds incredibly disconnected from reality.

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Post by yodsanklai » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:06 AM UTC

renewiltord wrote: post #367

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we need small companies to publish their compensation data on sites like levels.fyi, so people stop dreaming about big corps expecting huge salaries and rewards. There are many companies out there, with freedom to experiment fast, learn new tech, have a great work-life balance, without the huge tech debt of these corps, and they deserve a chance to have "rockstars" "ninjas" and so forth in their ranks

At least for the subset of small that are startups, small companies vs big companies isn’t a comp discussion. You will win on comp going to the smaller guys. It’s whether you want to burn for the moon or you want to live a comfortable upper middle class life. FAANG is 70% retirees, 30% dipole candle burners. And the 30% provide the value, while the 70% are along for the ride.

I work in a FAANG and I can tell you than nobody in my team is slacking. Quite the opposite. Everybody is smart and working hard, there's no way you can cruise. I think all new members work even on weekends. A colleague of mine got fired because he didn't meet expectations for his level. He would have been totally fine in other companies. Turnover is high despite the high compensation.

I'm sure it depends on the company/team, but 70% of retirees, I think it's a myth.

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Post by moneywoes » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:07 AM UTC

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>I suspect we are going to see some turmoil in the tech hiring space I agree, but I don't think the disruption will go the way you or I hope it would. Many of the companies that is "one tier" below were able to offer higher comp only because of sky high valuation from the recent bubble. Most of them aren't in the kind of cashflow positions that can sustain such high cost if the stock value correct. If we enter an eco…

> ... what do you think would happen to the stock price of high flying growth companies that don't even make a profit? They're already down as much as 80%. If I were looking around today, I'd kill to join one of those high growth tech startups with a solid balance sheet that just got the crap kicked out of its stock.

Any names? Besides SQ I don't see many

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Post by astrange » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:08 AM UTC

Aeolun wrote: post #167

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The death rate is a trailing indicator so it's not the right thing to look at when considering what you should do in the future.

I find the ‘cases going up’ and ‘cases going down’ indicators quite compelling.

Wastewater surveillance is even better than that.

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Post by RandomBK » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:10 AM UTC

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Put your work hours in your calendar and auto decline everything outside those hours. Refuse that nonsense.

thats how you get PIPed

It depends heavily on the company and the specific team/org. Where I'm at, this behavior will more likely get the manager PIP'd for not being inclusive and fostering a healthy team dynamic.

Manager wants to hire across time zones to hit their headcount? Go for it, but be they'd better be ready to make accommodations for doing so.