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If a webserver sent me an exact copy of your car but encased in ice, and I used an ice pick to carve it out, you would still have your car, and i would have a copy of your car. That the web server wants to me buy a flame thrower to melt the ice is irrelivent. Stealing does not apply to digital goods. You cannot deprive anyone of something infinitely replicable. You can only prevent those that you do not deem worthy t…
So if I break in to Microsoft, stick a USB in their computers, and steal the source code for Windows, it's not stealing because it's just digital information that's infinitely reproducible? Keep in mind: nothing physical was stolen. People lose their jobs because they are digital content creators and the attitude is that paying for intellectual property is uncool.
Bypass Paywalls: a browser extension to help bypass paywalls for selected sites
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Re: Bypass Paywalls: a browser extension to help bypass paywalls for selected sites
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> Just because another customer (google) was given access, does that mean everyone should have it? They didn't provide access to just another customer or Google -- they send the article text to EVERYONE in the HTML response. They are thus making that text publicly available. If they want to make content only available to certain individuals, that is literally what paywalls and authentication/authorization are for. In…
This is the “but she was wearing a low cut top” argument.
If you put something in the public sphere, it is public. Simple as that. You have no right to turn your intention of how I "ought" to consume your product into forcing me to do so if you have given me your product for free.
Use a paywall, Use proper authorization.
I solely use firefox for getting around paywalls. I have it automatically clear all cookies upon exit. That way any website that gives a few free articles per month will always be free for me.
From an economics perspective, they are trying to using old school pricing tricks (e.g. bundling, price discrimination, variable unit pricing to enable 2 article users == free, 10 articles == paid) as a tool for managing their customer funnel. But the golden rule of price discrimination is it only works if you can actually prevent your customers from engaging in arbitrage and can keep them in their bucket. A store can have a policy like "limit 1 per customer" but that doesn't prevent me from getting 100 of my friends from buying the thing. If I want to clear my cookies and look like some anonymous new customer each time, there is absolutely nothing illegal OR immoral about that. That's capitalism and they have designed a pricing model that can be gamed.
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In a way these publishers are abusing a public service (search engines) to get a higher ranking, giving the illusion of publicly available content, but then breaking the promise. In practice for their personal private gain they are damaging the system for everyone else, which is much worse imho.
Stealing from them just because they are trying to gain search ranking in a shady manner is still stealing. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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I think you’re engaging in some cognitive dissonance yourself to justify ad-blocking. The situation really isn’t any different. The ads are what pay for the product, so if you purposefully block all the ads, you’re not paying for the content you’re reading. It’s up to you whether to pay attention to the ads, but outright blocking them is exactly the same as blocking the “please subscribe” wall.
Ad-blocking can be justified as the digital equivalent of averting your gaze, although I agree that's a bit tenuous as it's preventing the ad from rendering in the first place. It's marginal. But by analogy, it's like putting your TV on mute when the ads are playing - the producer made the show freely available expecting ad consumption. But using a tool to get past a paywall is different. The show is not on TV, it is…
The difference is that you need to actively mute your TV every time! You're probably not going to do it for every commercial break, and even if you do, you'll likely catch at least a bit of the first ad. It's really that first ad's fault for not grabbing your attention quickly enough while it had the chance.
Put another way, the advertiser is paying for ad space, and it's the advertiser's responsibility to use that space in a way which catches your attention. Whether the advertiser succeeds or fails is nobody else's problem. An adblocker, however, completely removes the ad space.
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So if I break in to Microsoft, stick a USB in their computers, and steal the source code for Windows, it's not stealing because it's just digital information that's infinitely reproducible? Keep in mind: nothing physical was stolen. People lose their jobs because they are digital content creators and the attitude is that paying for intellectual property is uncool.
Sounds like breaking and entering to me, but I am not a lawyer. Not legal advice.
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Stealing from them just because they are trying to gain search ranking in a shady manner is still stealing. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Please define how this is theft? They are making the article publicly available.
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Just because there’s a technical workaround doesn’t make it not stealing. If I neglect to lock my car and my stuff gets stolen, it’s still stealing. I might have been able to prevent it had I locked the car, but it’s still stealing.
Do you think that people should be required to view websites as delivered, without modifying them in any way? That would be the logical end of attempting to prevent this kind of "stealing". If there is another term you'd like to use for "looks like theft, but the original owner loses nothing" then feel free. But it is not theft or stealing, those require also depriving the rightful owner of the stolen property. If I…
With a digital goods, we can eliminate the paper and plastic. It's a great thing! But for some reason, we've also decided to write the artist out of the equation too. At least if you're a pirate.
If you're a software engineer, you're being paid not to manufacture hard goods but to create something of intellectual value that could be technically be duplicated forever. What's the difference between pirating music and stealing code that is under a software license?
Re: Bypass Paywalls: a browser extension to help bypass paywalls for selected sites
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Is this Hacker News?
Judging from the current sentiment around piracy among younger generations, I've concluded that MPAA/RIAA propaganda against piracy has been a rousing success. My philosophy has always been: Pay for things if you are able, it's convenient, and pricing is fair. And if piracy is easier than paying, piracy always wins. It's the reason I buy all my video games now and rarely pirate music anymore, but half of my TV and mo…
It's about being able to consume media on my own terms. Thanks to piracy, I can get the same quality content from another source and enjoy it however I want, on any device, online or offline.
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This is the “but she was wearing a low cut top” argument.
This is a false analogy for several reasons: 1. If, in your example, "but she was wearing a low cut top" was used as a justification by someone to physically sexually assault someone, then obviously that is wrong as we've established that rights to one's body belong to the person with said body and you need their consent. If on the other hand, you are simply looking at someone who is dressed provocatively, then while…
Sure, and if there's urban chaos, there's nothing preventing me from looting a store. Or sneaking stuff in my backpack. It's still stealing.
As to your example about the art, it's more like if one piece of art is in the window, but the rest of the gallery you can only see if you buy the ticket. But there's a door in the alley you can sneak in to and nobody will notice. So you sneak in the back, avoid paying the price, and get to see the whole thing for free. That doesn't sit right with me ethically.