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Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by bitcurious »

kazinator wrote: post #162
larodi wrote: post #161

Nice idea, but if it was me to implement it - would definitely go for Cyrillic rather than x for ч, ш, щ etc. Sxto es Slovio? -> Що е словйо? Ucxijte Slovio tper! -> Учайте словйо тпер! or something like it. seems way more Slavic to me... even though the old cyrillic (original if u want) is nothing like the modern cyrillic. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Cyrillic_alphabet#/media... Interestingly the…

The notation used by Slovio could easily be replaced by diacritics. For instance zx is really ž written digraphs. Cyrillic, not to mention Glagolic, would make this kind of language less accessible to the world at large.

Cyrillic would make it accessible to 2/3rds of Slavic speakers, and would require that other interested parties learn just a few additional characters. It's really not that hard.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by Daegalus »

zone411 wrote: post #4

Interslavic is another similar project. They don't like Slovio too much: http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/index.html http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/faq.html#slovio

as a Bulgarian and Russian speaker, I find Interslavic easier to understand. Slovio has some stuff that takes me a bit longer to process.

I have always enjoyed the closeness of Slavic languages. I don't know a lick of Polish, but I can read and understand maybe 70-80% of a polish paragraph. same for a lot of Slavic languages.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by lostinroutine »

egeozcan wrote: post #63

I wish something like this existed in Turkic languages. There's a billion of them with very small communities, so it would be nice to see some of their properties preserved in a unifying language. Not to mention there's also a lot of documented, but dead ones, mostly because of communities integrating and taking on a Slavic language (mostly Russian and Bulgarian, name of which probably comes from the nomadic Turkish…

That’s great idea but might be much more difficult in practice than a common Slavic language. Turkic languages are way more diverse where you have some languages that are extremely similar and some that are not mutually intelligible with an exception of a small number of words (e.g. Turkish and Sakha). Maybe this means there can be several common languages with a smaller number of speakers in each.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by zagrebian »

Tenoke wrote: post #34
zagrebian wrote: post #16

Why cx, sx, zx instead of č, š, ž? That’s a step backwards. Slavic languages have perfectly fine letters for those phonemes.

Isn't that like only 2-3 out of all Slavic languages and not the biggest ones? Also, it would just make it harder to type on current layouts.

True. I don’t know much about other Slavic alphabets (other than my own, Serbo-Croatian). It looks like Polish has ć, ś, ź for this purpose. I’d be interested to learn more about the alphabets in Cyrillic. I assume they also have special letters for these three phonemes.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by emteycz »

AeroNotix wrote: post #156
emteycz wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do it for the fun and food, not for some pseudo gods.

You can colour it any way that you like. Many Americans would likely baulk at the idea of a turkey-less Thanksgiving. It is a central theme of the holiday. What else is it, if not a sacrifice?

It's food and fun, not sacrifice.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by emteycz »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #100
emteycz wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do it for the fun and food, not for some pseudo gods.

We can do it for both. Why not? Perun is a "pseudo" God, as much as Zeus was a pseudo God. And if they are pseudo gods, then Jesus Christ is a pseudo God, too. Gods exist as long as people believe in them.

Because we mostly don't like gods, at least here in CZ.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by mleonhard »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #82
stared wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is such an idea of a greater connection between Slavic nations called Pan-Slavism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Slavism ). When it comes to "one country" - the USSR aimed at that, and from the perspective of hundreds of millions of people, it wasn't the best idea. Plus, I think that ethnic states are one of the worst inventions of the 19th century, which accelerated a lot after WWI & WWII. I prefer cities…

USSR was a blasphemy because of it's communist nature. It was an abomination born in blood. Slavs were never for communism.

Was the economic structure of USSR the real problem? I thought it was the power structure (dictatorship) and general lack of accountability of management.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by mbar84 »

It seems that today, a data-driven computer model might be able to produce a much better artificial language than was previously possible. If you have grammar, vocabulary and text corpus for each language, parameters for number of speakers who would presumably learn the language, then you could perhaps optimize for minimal learning curve for the most people.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by kazinator »

bitcurious wrote: post #191
kazinator wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The notation used by Slovio could easily be replaced by diacritics. For instance zx is really ž written digraphs. Cyrillic, not to mention Glagolic, would make this kind of language less accessible to the world at large.

Cyrillic would make it accessible to 2/3rds of Slavic speakers, and would require that other interested parties learn just a few additional characters. It's really not that hard.

A good chunk of those 2/3rds speak English and can wield Latin script (and if not, they should).

Latin script has eaten the world; suggesting Cyrillic for any new language is lunacy.

The number of languages using Cyrillic is vastly smaller than Latin script, and are geographically clustered in areas that belonged to the Soviet Union.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by smasty »

zone411 wrote: post #4

Interslavic is another similar project. They don't like Slovio too much: http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/index.html http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/faq.html#slovio

As a Slovak, Interslavic feels easier to read and understand, though I can understand Slovio as well.

From my experience, Slovak speakers can understand other Slavic languages pretty well: Czech is basically our second native language (although for some reason it seems Czechs don't understand Slovak quite to the same degree), Polish, Slovenian and Croatian are understandable as well. Russian is a lot harder, even when written in Latin. I don't have experience with Ukrainian.

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