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Re: Show HN: Berkeley Mono Typeface

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> Berkeley Mono wears a UNIX T-shirt and aspires to be etched on control panels in black synthetic lacquer. It is Adrian Frutiger visits Bell Labs. It is Gene Kranz's command. It operates with calibrated precision and has a datasheet. It costs $75 for an individual license, not really in the spirit of UNIX

uhh, unix was insanely expensive.

Re: Show HN: Berkeley Mono Typeface

#82

> Berkeley Mono wears a UNIX T-shirt and aspires to be etched on control panels in black synthetic lacquer. It is Adrian Frutiger visits Bell Labs. It is Gene Kranz's command. It operates with calibrated precision and has a datasheet. It costs $75 for an individual license, not really in the spirit of UNIX

Not to pile on, but I will say, for the record that it's UNIX® :)

Re: Show HN: Berkeley Mono Typeface

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually wanted to make it simpler. Separating professional use (this is how Input Mono font does it) and commercial use allows developers to use fonts for their daily work, but the machine belongs to their employer and the work they do is for their employer; while also being able to provide a separate Commercial license for companies and businesses. There are no page view limits for websites (no trackers), install…

This left me more confused - there are two cases : - the typeface is used in media, or otherwise distributed - the typeface is used locally in some app Which license supports which case?

Print licensing is very standard and used by the majority of the font fountries with exception of Lineto and a few others. For example, buy 1 seat (1 designer) and that designer can make unlimited print products as long as they have the seat to use it. It is based on installation on a computer that is used to develop the print materials. Some font fountries prevent the use of embedding fonts in the distributed media (such as PDFs).

Where I made an explicit exception in the license is for developers using the typeface in IDEs, and using it in professional context. Also check input mono license which is where I got the inspiration from: https://input.djr.com/license/

Re: Show HN: Berkeley Mono Typeface

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Here is some Python, but no {}: https://neil.computer/notes/berkeley-mono-february-update/#b... I'll plan for a nice page with various languages and full page screenshots. Edit: Fixed link, thanks.

The same think happens with this font, as with some many others. It's absolutely beautiful, it looks like it was just designed for coding. Then I see actual code written with the font and goes: "Well, that was disappointing". Don't get me wrong, it beautiful, easy to read and the price is right (in my opinion), but when you see the Python, even at 17pt, it seems squished. The characters just blurs together. This font…

Send me an email[1] and I can send you a beta copy to try out. IMO the picture doesn't do the justice (it is not like the way you describe it at all), but I am seriously considering creating a specific license for a trial + font cut that is missing a few glyphs. That's going to take some time. Here is some feedback from this thread :) : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30559060

Of course, I use it daily for writing code but I am biased :)

[1] neil@berkeleygraphics.com

Re: Show HN: Berkeley Mono Typeface

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If you look at the Burgevouns comparison Berkley mono is the least good. It's compared to non-mono fonts which, naturally, have better kerning. Having three different representations of the number 0 including one that is indistinguishable from upper case o makes this a no-no for coding from my point of view. It's one of the first things I look for and why I love Hack.

https://sourcefoundry.org/hack/

Re: Show HN: Berkeley Mono Typeface

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> Berkeley Mono wears a UNIX T-shirt and aspires to be etched on control panels in black synthetic lacquer. It is Adrian Frutiger visits Bell Labs. It is Gene Kranz's command. It operates with calibrated precision and has a datasheet. It costs $75 for an individual license, not really in the spirit of UNIX

UNIX was an internal and then commercial product of ATT bell labs (and later Novell). You're misconstruing it with the FOSS movement. UNIX was created for ATT to sell more telephone service, and then later sold and licensed to other companies to likewise improve their internal computer usage. UNIX was not created to be zero cost. Apparently a commercial license for UNIX cost $20k at the time (or $150 for universities…

UNIX was created for ATT to sell more telephone service

From where did you get this idea? Citation needed.

Re: Show HN: Berkeley Mono Typeface

#90
post #53

The licensing is unclear/vague/contradictory... I'm totally confused what the 'developer' license actually means when it says you can use it for "personal use in professional context, but not commercial." And how is a subscription for a print product handled? Do I have to burn my printed materials if I don't renew a subscription? Font vendors seem to _love_ coming up with weird snowflake licensing schemes rather than…

I actually wanted to make it simpler. Separating professional use (this is how Input Mono font does it) and commercial use allows developers to use fonts for their daily work, but the machine belongs to their employer and the work they do is for their employer; while also being able to provide a separate Commercial license for companies and businesses. There are no page view limits for websites (no trackers), install…

Does this mean that if I am a one-man-freelancing-shop I need a commercial license rather than a developer license?

As a follow up: If I work for SuperMegaCorp as a W-2 employee, I obviously qualify for a developer license, but as a 1099 contractor? And if I send a PDF invoice that uses this font - is that professional or commercial usage? Clearly, I am not a lawyer ;)

Very nice font, BTW.

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