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They are affected by their own elections though.
Everything is, that’s hardly a conspiracy.
No one in the thread (except for you) has used the word 'conspiracy.'
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Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th
#232Love that all the companies (see also Google, Twitter) are utilizing the WW3-panic to sweep these announcements under the rug. How thoughtful! And props to Apple for adding that Friday PR synergy to the mix! Edit: my best attempt at a good faith argument here is this: it was a move that was supposed to be in sync with Biden's SOFU comments on returning to the office, but other breaking news affected the plan.
It's interesting to consider the group psychology aspect. During the 2020 summer protests, many also said that the huge crowds were not spreading covid. Maybe this is similar. When there is a larger issue people are focusing on, concerns about covid get pushed to the backburner. The real test will come when the Ukraine-Russia war subsides.
"huge crowds were not spreading covid OUTDOORS" is the right take. Indoors is a recycled hellscape of germs. Viral load is a real thing. I went to several outdoor concerts and didn't catch covid however I'm going to continue to work remote.
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't use death rate for supporting closing and I won't use death rate for supporting opening. Covid's main threats for most people are: * Filling up hospitals to the point they stop functioning (that's been true here in Canada). * Putting 10% ~ 20% of workers everywhere, including hospitals, out of commission for weeks at a time while they're acutely sick with Covid or infectious to others. * Disabling some large…
> * Putting 10% ~ 20% of workers everywhere, including hospitals, out of commission for weeks at a time while they're acutely sick with Covid or infectious to others. This one seems like a dubious point to me, services during the early-2020 lockdowns were much more impacted than they were during the Omicron spike which saw much less enforced lockdown but much more "shit, all our employees are sick" closures. Complete…
The underlying assumption seems to be that future waves will be mild because Omicron was mild, either intrinsically or due to improved immunity. I hope it’s the case, but time will tell if this is true.
Alternatively, they’re planning to more reactively bring us into the office when we’re in a lull and have us WFH when we’re in a wave.
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"More than 2,000 Covid-19 deaths have been reported in the United States each day for the past month" This is 2 weeks old and already out of date. Numbers are in freefall. It's now at 1,357. And cases have dropped sharply and consistently for a few weeks which means the (lagging) drop in deaths will continue for a few weeks.
It's still about four airplanes worth of people crashing daily, to put it into perspective. Not to mention people under immunosuppression or legitimately unable to get vaccinated (e.g. allergies or immunodeficient) - these poor souls are effectively locked into their homes as a permanent jail.
>> these poor souls are effectively locked into their homes as a permanent jail.
Why do you believe this to be true? Seems exaggerated to me.
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That’s how it should be, no? If constituents want to end a policy then their representative should work to do exactly that.
Lots of constituents don't want to wear a seatbelt. Lots of constituents want to drink before the age of 21. Lots of constituents want to buy alcohol after midnight and on a Sunday before noon. Lots of constituents want lots of things that the reps clearly ignore. Where do you draw the line of "as it should be" and "those damn gov't bastards!!"?
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> More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years That's surprising. Do you have a source?
Deaths this week in California are higher than at any time in 2020, when every office and school was closed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/corona...
I don't understand that trend happening in California since it doesn't match the rest of the country and doesn't line up with a spike in cases a few weeks prior.
But what's different between 2020 and now:
- We understand covid risk, treatment, etc. better now. There's a box around it. In 2020 we didn't know what would happen, if there would ever be a vaccine, or what variants might do. We don't know what the next variant will be, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, but "variant" is a less scary word if only due to having been through two of them and come out.
- In 2022 the deaths are more voluntary than in 2020. Of course some people can't get a vaccine or remain at higher risk despite a vaccine. And it's a tragedy that the world will remain more dangerous for some, maybe permanently. But after 2 years of on and off measures we know we can't keep it up forever.
I'd be all for making it a social convention to wear masks (at certain times) going forward every flu season, which some cultures already did before covid. While wearing a mask I didn't get my annual cold last winter, which was awesome. If you de-politicize it and think of it as a piece of cloth, it stops being a big deal. But keeping stuff closed needs to stop.
Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th
#237Why is it Mon,Tue,Thu? Weird to have flexible Wednesday in the middle.
Why not Tue,Wed,Thu with Monday and Friday flexible?
Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th
#238More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…
agree; when I look at https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2022/03/friday-february-e... I don’t come to the conclusion that now is the best time.
Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th
#239More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…
but it’s all rural Trumpist counties at this point; ostensibly, the people lying in the bed they made for themselves don’t typically work for Apple
>> it’s all rural Trumpist counties at this point
Do you have any idea how parochial you sound when you make generalizations in this manner?
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#240I'm so glad that Covid cares about the economy.
I also hate the obsession with in office work. I know for many people there's a social aspect to being in the office, but honestly I don't consider 4 hours of commuting each day to be worth the socializing aspect of in office work.