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Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by gfodor »

nostromo wrote: post #16

More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…

It’s not like they just decided - they did, they actually just decided. The change in cloth mask guidance proves it: no new data, we always knew they were ineffective.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by steeve »

windows2020 wrote: post #21

Maybe it's me, but I have yet to experience 'innovation' result from a conversation held over coffee or a chance encounter. I've had better luck creating connections with other parts of the business and exchanging ideas over the infrequent cocktail party where it's a mission of the night. Say all you want about open floorplans and irrelevant quiet encounters. Having said that, every situation is unique.

My experience is the exact opposite: most innovation I came across was the result of a in-person informal discussion.

So yeah, YMMV

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by kaczordon »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #29
nostromo wrote: post #16

More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…

The only thing that matters is death rate for those that are vaccinated.

I remember when we used to care about hospitals overflowing.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by xienze »

gdulli wrote: post #34
nostromo wrote: post #16

More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…

Deaths and cases are both dropping sharply, and since deaths lag cases, the deaths should be expected to continue to drop steadily for a few more weeks. Something substantial has definitely changed. That's not the same as knowing there won't be future variants or spikes. But if there's ever a time to get back to normal, now would be it. It's not total victory and may never be, but at some point we either declare that…

> Something substantial has definitely changed.

Yeah, it's called midterm elections are coming up and the Democrats are staring down the barrel of getting absolutely crushed if they continue on with mask and vaccine mandate policies.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by jb1991 »

basisword wrote: post #22
nostromo wrote: post #16

More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…

>> More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. You can’t just exclude the data that disproves your point. The peaks were the original variant, Alpha(?), Delta and now Omicron. Deaths in this wave are extremely lower than in any other wave due to severity, immunity and vaccinations. Hospital stays are reduced and shorter. The original point of av…

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Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by jordanpg »

8bitben wrote: post #4

Hard to see it going any other way given the massive real estate investments they have made.

I suspect that at the root of all of these companies with massive office investments insisting that everyone gets back to the office as soon as possible is something to do with taxes.

Something like deductions that cannot be taken when those facilities are not used or not used enough in the development of income.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by lazide »

nostromo wrote: post #16

More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…

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Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by chadash »

nostromo wrote: post #16

More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…

Deaths tend to lag behind peaks of cases and we recently passed the peak of our biggest wave by far (official numbers for this peak are around 800k/day in the US, vs 250k for previous peak in jan 2021, but this doesn't account for the likelihood that many cases didn't get reported due to widely available at-home testing and other factors). Deaths going forward for people who catch it now will probably be far lower.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by nso95 »

windows2020 wrote: post #21

Maybe it's me, but I have yet to experience 'innovation' result from a conversation held over coffee or a chance encounter. I've had better luck creating connections with other parts of the business and exchanging ideas over the infrequent cocktail party where it's a mission of the night. Say all you want about open floorplans and irrelevant quiet encounters. Having said that, every situation is unique.

tbf I think it would be an additive effect, not just a single encounter that leads to innovation

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by jimbob45 »

adenozine wrote: post #23

Tasty hiring for remote firms! Flee from Apple’s iron clutches!! Mostly /s

Is it /s though? This may be the only time in the next 20 years that remote-progressive companies have a unbeatable advantage over Apple and Google. If I'm a top-tier firm, I'm poaching as many Apple and Google remote employees that I can possibly take.
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