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Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by therealunreal »

modeless wrote: post #18
chmod775 wrote: post #5

> So, NVIDIA, the choice is yours! Either: Officially make current and all future drivers for all cards open source, while keeping the Verilog and chipset trade secrets... well, secret OR Not make the drivers open source, making us release the entire silicon chip files so that everyone not only knows your driver's secrets, but also your most closely-guarded trade secrets for graphics and computer chipsets too! Intere…

No single piece of software has wasted more of my time than Nvidia's drivers, mostly (though not exclusively) on Linux. They've rendered my OS unbootable so many times over the years. So many times I've spent whole days of my life troubleshooting, upgrading, downgrading, configuring, rebooting. Then often reinstalling the OS after their installers mess stuff up in ways that are impossible to even know until they pop…

Same here, I got fed up with it and went AMD (or Intel) only. It just works.

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

Mindwipe wrote: post #203
zelon88 wrote: post #177

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You would allow hardware DRM in your box just to allow Nvidia to "revoke" ownership of your card when you use it "incorrectly". Yeah I'll pass.

I can see why it's attractive when the alternative is no card at all.

The alternative is not "no card" it's "don't buy a top of the line card"

Every expensive product with potential commercial use has this situation. Anything you can easily make money with has a price that reflects it. People who want stuff for limited use cannot justify those kinds of prices so they have to buy older stuff, lesser stuff or stuff that needs effort/time dumped in in order to work.

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Post by eru »

7steps2much wrote: post #283
eru wrote: post #162

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The relevant metric is probably something like electricity spend (or ton of CO2 emitted) per dollar of economic value created. Bitcoin and ethereum burn a lot of electricity, but they are also worth a lot.

However, one could argue that a proof of stake Ethereum (for example) would still be worth as much while at the same time drastically reducing the amount of CO2 emitted. So if we measure it that way then moving away from proof of work should be the way to make everyone happy? No more crypto miners buying graphics cards, far less CO2 emissions, crypto retains it's value since most owners don't really care about how it…

Yes, if proof of stake can be made to work as advertised.

(Modulo some unforeseen consequences, of course.)

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Post by keymon-o »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #255
breakfastduck wrote: post #251

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In fairness, it's hardly an outrageous view to want to remove artificial performance bottlenecks on a piece of hardware you've spent a considerable amount of money on.

Except there is nothing "fair" about this. In all fairness these crypto-bros could buy the cards specifically made for mining, but they won't because they don't have any resale value. Only reason they are buying GPUs is that they can run it until something better comes to market and still sell it to some gamer who is actually going to use the hardware for its intended purpose. More power to Nvidia. If I could make th…

Woah there. I don’t like the crypto culture and mindset as the next guy, but there are plenty of other options to preventing use case you presented. If systems aren’t closed enough already…

And as far as the gaming goes, I cannot see how playing games is more noble usage of gpu than crypto mining.

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Post by newswasboring »

gambiting wrote: post #25
randomhodler84 wrote: post #17

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>>Bitcoin has been around 13 years at this point and you still don’t get why folks need to use energy to secure their money. In those 13 years it has proven to be nothing more than a Ponzi scheme for cryptobros and probably one of the most wasteful endeavours that humanity has ever started. One can only hope that the next 13 years kill it for good, either by imploding internally, or it being outlawed in every country…

> it being outlawed in every country that can.

Being pedantic for fun. Isn't all crypto currency already outlaws? They operate outside of all the financial laws and regulations we have. In fact I think some proponents are citing this as a feature.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by oarsinsync »

Mindwipe wrote: post #203
zelon88 wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would allow hardware DRM in your box just to allow Nvidia to "revoke" ownership of your card when you use it "incorrectly". Yeah I'll pass.

I can see why it's attractive when the alternative is no card at all.

Short term thinking can often appear to be attractive in the short term. It's the long term implications that get you, and by then it's too late.

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Post by newswasboring »

smokey_circles wrote: post #86
ofrzeta wrote: post #48

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So is liking/hyping a new technology for the sake of it (or for the sake of getting rich).

Sure, but one side can be substantiated. The Satoshi protocol is not about money. It is a distributed, trust-less consensus algorithm. Finance was just a good candidate to start with. But we can expand that much further. Some strange examples I hear about how this is silly: "You can't have a smart contract act as an employer because it doesn't exist" But neither do companies? They're an abstraction that we agree exis…

> But if I have a mechanism that removes trust (merkle trees) then what's the issue? The contract will do what it states it does because that's the only option it has.

The problem I have with this line of reasoning is it does not consider the interface between on chain and real world realities. Some of it is easily doable, like money (if I have a token I have a token), but many are not at all easily doable like land use. I can write I have a piece of land on the chain but that does not give me any control over it. If I have to bring in the government to enforce land usage then why not let them do the owner tracking too? If they disagree with the blockchain its not like I can do anything about it.

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Post by moffkalast »

ihateolives wrote: post #269
modeless wrote: post #18

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No single piece of software has wasted more of my time than Nvidia's drivers, mostly (though not exclusively) on Linux. They've rendered my OS unbootable so many times over the years. So many times I've spent whole days of my life troubleshooting, upgrading, downgrading, configuring, rebooting. Then often reinstalling the OS after their installers mess stuff up in ways that are impossible to even know until they pop…

> No single piece of software has wasted more of my time than Nvidia's drivers I see you haven't used printers much :)

Or tried to install tensorflow ayoo

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Post by gambiting »

newswasboring wrote: post #295
gambiting wrote: post #25

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>>Bitcoin has been around 13 years at this point and you still don’t get why folks need to use energy to secure their money. In those 13 years it has proven to be nothing more than a Ponzi scheme for cryptobros and probably one of the most wasteful endeavours that humanity has ever started. One can only hope that the next 13 years kill it for good, either by imploding internally, or it being outlawed in every country…

> it being outlawed in every country that can. Being pedantic for fun. Isn't all crypto currency already outlaws? They operate outside of all the financial laws and regulations we have. In fact I think some proponents are citing this as a feature.

>>Isn't all crypto currency already outlaws

No? Here in UK you can legally buy/sold/hold crypto. HMRC even tells you exactly how to pay taxes on it with official documents explaining the process.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by newswasboring »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #72
ofrzeta wrote: post #48

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So is liking/hyping a new technology for the sake of it (or for the sake of getting rich).

Sure, but that doesn’t apply here. I am a technical individual who can make a case for the technology, and have for many years. All you precoiners do is complain that everyone else is getting rich and/or destroying the planet. It Just isn’t so!

What case do you want to make about technology though?

That it is cool is I think pretty much accepted by everyone. The objection there being just because something is cool doesn't mean we do it especially if its at the detriment to the planet we live on.

That it is useful? If you have time, please make that case. To avoid having a flamewar over it, lets try to be concrete and cite an actual project (even if in progress)

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