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Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by ajuc »

ivoras wrote: post #21
zone411 wrote: post #4

Interslavic is another similar project. They don't like Slovio too much: http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/index.html http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/faq.html#slovio

As a speaker of Croatian (southern Slavic) and Ukrainian (western Slavic), both Slavio and InterSlavic are bad from the Croatian POW, but InterSlavic is definitely a better choice in either case. Many word forms in InterSlavic just seem like strangely archaic versions of Croatian, but might pass as "just strange" for Ukrainian.

Ukrainian is eastern Slavic though?

As a speaker of Polish (western Slavic) reasonably familiar with Ukrainian I find InterSlavic and madzuslovanski (or whatever it's spelled) much better than this Slavio.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by mcv »

moonchrome wrote: post #28

>logikju gramatia i Slovio es idealju jazika dla dnesju ludis. I can't guess what that last part means even with context

I don't speak any Slavic language, but I can make a reasonable guess at what the first half of that sentence means. Starting with the word "jazika" I have no idea anymore.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by Tenoke »

zagrebian wrote: post #16

Why cx, sx, zx instead of č, š, ž? That’s a step backwards. Slavic languages have perfectly fine letters for those phonemes.

Isn't that like only 2-3 out of all Slavic languages and not the biggest ones?

Also, it would just make it harder to type on current layouts.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by arc-in-space »

Slovio is wacky but the other one linked here, Interslavic, is pretty good. It's easy to understand from my north slav perspective and others here seem to be reporting the same. I thought the differences between languages were too great for a language this effective to be constructed, I certainly can't understand Croatian or Russian, for one. So I'm impressed, and I like the idea.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by Tenoke »

mkotowski wrote: post #12
ajuc wrote: post #2

Why "x" instead of "z" in cz/sz/rz etc. sounds? It's not used by any Slavic languages AFAIK, some use z, some use ^ (and they used z in the past), others use cyrylic but nobody uses x for these. It's weird. Also w for szcz makes no sense. Use r for "ja" while you're at it :)

> Also w for szcz makes no sense. Propbably an attempt to use a letter similar to graphically. > Why "x" instead of "z" in cz/sz/rz etc. sounds? I think it is something picked up from Esperanto. Traditional way to replace Esperanto-specific letters, when not supported, was to change it to a letter followed by an “h”, but there is also a more widely used method using “x” instead.

Щ is already a pretty pointless letter. If you are simplifying anything then just using шт is one of the lowest hanging fruits.

Ditto for я and ю.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by bsedlm »

msrenee wrote: post #19
dvh wrote: post #11

Slovio uses -s suffix for plural which is completely weird in any slavic language, -i would be much more natural (ulcas, domis, glovis vs ulci, domi, glovi) and that is what another panslavic language interslavic/Medžuslovjansky uses (ulici, domi, glavi): http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/

I'm only familiar with Russian, but "es" for "to be" feels weird too. And it's used where Russian would just omit it. Are there Slavic languages that are more liberal with it? And I feel like some form of Cyrillic would be much more natural both because of the available phonemes and because I believe most Slavic speakers would be more familiar with it than the Latin alphabet. As a non-native learner, I've always had…

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Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by WilTimSon »

waffleiron wrote: post #6

Constructed slavic languages have a long history, with many before and some after Slovio. I have a Polish friend who was learning Interslavic a few years ago, mostly for fun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Slavic_language http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/constructed_slavic_language...

Has your friend ever had any real experience using it? I'm curious how viable these uniting languages are in practice. It feels like he might be able to understand people from different languages, but they wouldn't necessarily understand him when he's using Interslavic, right?

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by cleancoder0 »

mongrelion wrote: post #27
msrenee wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm only familiar with Russian, but "es" for "to be" feels weird too. And it's used where Russian would just omit it. Are there Slavic languages that are more liberal with it? And I feel like some form of Cyrillic would be much more natural both because of the available phonemes and because I believe most Slavic speakers would be more familiar with it than the Latin alphabet. As a non-native learner, I've always had…

Even though Russian does drop the "to be" in present tense for all pronouns, other Slavic languages do feature it either as a separate word or together. For example this is how you say "I am Russian" and "You are Russian" in: Slovenian: Jaz sem Rus Ti si Rus Croatian: Ja sam Rus Ti si Rus Slovak: Som Rus Ty si Rus Whereas in Polish is a joint word (but the to be is still merged in there): Jestem z Rosji Jesteś Rosjan…

Yep, Croatian/Serbian have a phonemic orthography. Quite easy to write given that sounds map directly to a letter.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by mentalpiracy »

bsedlm wrote: post #37
msrenee wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm only familiar with Russian, but "es" for "to be" feels weird too. And it's used where Russian would just omit it. Are there Slavic languages that are more liberal with it? And I feel like some form of Cyrillic would be much more natural both because of the available phonemes and because I believe most Slavic speakers would be more familiar with it than the Latin alphabet. As a non-native learner, I've always had…

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in Russian it is есть / yest, but very commonly dropped from sentences.
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