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Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Unfortunately America has just shown us that it too can advance a wildly inappropriate and simply stupid individual to the highest levels of power.

But then he got replaced 4 years later. Unlike what happened in Russia.

That didn’t happen with Bush, who conjured up a premise with multiple lies in order to justify going to war. And then 3 years later, he got re-elected.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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This has been a real reckoning for me, as somebody who has historically been very pro-nuclear. Quite simply, humanity is too good at screwing things up to harness such a fundamentally powerful and dangerous source of power. It requires a commitment to long lasting peace and stability that we're just not capable of.

This touches on why I think humanity will not survive for much longer. Global warming continues to be a civilization-ending level threat, and yet it continues to be more or less ignored. Vast swathes of the population believe that their egos can determine reality, no matter the actual physical reality they so hubristically ignore. > we’re not capable of I don’t think so, either. This sentiment tends to be met by the…

Are you so sure you're not yourself trapped in an irrational thinking loop?

Global warming is not a civilization-ending threat. Even nuclear war is not a civilization-ending threat, outside a few places in the Northern hemisphere. I could be wrong about both of these claims. But you could be as well, and you're taking an extremely pessimistic view based on what you know, which is not the whole picture.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Every country has its propaganda and lies, but they're generally couched in half-truths. It's truly remarkable how the Russian flavor of misinformation sounds just like a pathological liar making up wild bullshit that nobody could possibly take seriously. That's been a tradition for decades, as far as I know.

I mean… Trump was lying about how many electoral votes he got. It was easily verifiable. Also such a stupid lie because he did have enough electoral votes to win the election anyway. But still! He fabricated that number. He was also truly in pathological liar territory.

Also consider his insistence that his inauguration crowd was larger than Obama's, when the photos clearly showed that wasn't the case. It's a completely meaningless lie. He doesn't accomplish anything if people were to accept it as truth, and it was quite obviously at odd with reality, and yet he just kept going on about it.

That's not a strategic lie, that's a pathological lie. That's someone who simply cannot tell the truth.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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This has been a real reckoning for me, as somebody who has historically been very pro-nuclear. Quite simply, humanity is too good at screwing things up to harness such a fundamentally powerful and dangerous source of power. It requires a commitment to long lasting peace and stability that we're just not capable of.

I share your feelings but I also find it “convenient” that we are all reminded of the dangers of nuclear power by a seller of gas and petroleum. Call me cynical…

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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If the reactors are on, destroying any of the infrasture around it can be devastating. The reactors need external power to operate. If external power disappears, the reactors now need emergency power from diesel gen sets. If those fail due to any reason, the reactors will probably melt down - unless they have already been off for quite a while (~weeks would be necessary). If the reactors melt down, the VVER has both…

That's not correct. It only takes a couple of seconds to shut down a reactor. https://qr.ae/pGdkkv

Your link supports the comment you are replying to; it says that after the reactor is shutdown, additional cooling is needed for some time, and that eg the Fukushima and Three Mile Island incidents both involved damage done by an inability to cool the reactors after they were already shut down.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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post #462

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Unfortunately America has just shown us that it too can advance a wildly inappropriate and simply stupid individual to the highest levels of power.

But then he got replaced 4 years later. Unlike what happened in Russia.

Definitely a strong case for term limits. If Putin had left after 8 years, he would now be considered a great president. He wasn't perfect, but he stabilised the Russian economy after the bankruptcy of the 1990s.

He could have left a great legacy, but his addiction to power has become his ruin. And quite possibly that of Ukraine and Russia.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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post #432

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Keep in mind that you are likely seeing the Russian propaganda through a filter of western propaganda and interpretation.

With the internet and Google translate, you can easily go read for yourself. And it’s still pretty nutty with no western filter applied. The accidentally published victory unification speech is particularly crazy: https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20...

I think the gp was referring to the filter in your own brain, that was set up by watching western media.

The idea that you are somehow immune to this is unsustainable - I'm sure avid Putin fans feel the same, after all they have access to Google too.

It's just that we are privileged to live in a relatively free societies, where bias is self imposed groupthink as opposed to mandated by the government.

For an extreme version of this in action, you can see the early reporting in the American media of the Iraq invasion.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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> This is war between two nuclear states, so nuclear weapon will be used eventually. Ukraine is not a nuclear state as it does not have nuclear weapons.

We promised to not have it in return for not being invaded, so technically we are a nuclear state without any weapons present at this moment (as far as publicly known). Since we have both technological expertise and practical means (from uranium ores to delivery systems), it’s a matter of time.

No nukes means not a nuclear state.

The former nukes belonged to the USSR and only they had the codes to arm them.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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post #555

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In the meantime I fear he is indeed that crazy. He repeatedly stated that his goal is to wipe out Ukraine at any costs. He is a like a little child that doesn't get his way and then blindly hits at everything in his reach.

Can you post a link to a video him saying that, I never heard it

Would also be curious to see that video as it'd be very damning. Else it's just more Fake News, just from the other side this time.

As always, apply the Falsifiability principle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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post #543

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That opinion is contrary to over 70 years of geopolitical and military strategic thinking.

I’m no expert, but my understanding is that thinking was based around a tactical nuke being used on US or Russian forces, leading to escalation and eventual use of strategic weapons, not against a non-nuclear power like Ukraine. AFAICT, the person you were responding to wasn’t talking about a nuke being used against NATO forces.

If nuclear weapons are used it is doomsday. There are no qualifiers. The idea of getting away with a "tactical" nuke is fantasy. Our response would be total and immediate. There's no time to hesitate or wait for the effects.

If "tactical" nukes are a thing why hasn't anyone used them since 1945? Seems like they could have been handy in Syria or Afghanistan. There's no shortage of examples of nuclear powers going to war with non-nuclear non-NATO countries in the last 77 years. None of them involved nukes in any capacity.

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