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Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by deehouie »

modeless wrote: post #18
chmod775 wrote: post #5

> So, NVIDIA, the choice is yours! Either: Officially make current and all future drivers for all cards open source, while keeping the Verilog and chipset trade secrets... well, secret OR Not make the drivers open source, making us release the entire silicon chip files so that everyone not only knows your driver's secrets, but also your most closely-guarded trade secrets for graphics and computer chipsets too! Intere…

No single piece of software has wasted more of my time than Nvidia's drivers, mostly (though not exclusively) on Linux. They've rendered my OS unbootable so many times over the years. So many times I've spent whole days of my life troubleshooting, upgrading, downgrading, configuring, rebooting. Then often reinstalling the OS after their installers mess stuff up in ways that are impossible to even know until they pop…

I used to cringe whenever I see a prompt to upgrade driver. But it's getting better. Version 460.39 hasn't caused any pain so far.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by randomhodler84 »

ofrzeta wrote: post #48
randomhodler84 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is true. However I am responding to another sheer Luddite attitude on a tech forum. Hating a new technology for the sake of it is not progress.

So is liking/hyping a new technology for the sake of it (or for the sake of getting rich).

Sure, but that doesn’t apply here. I am a technical individual who can make a case for the technology, and have for many years. All you precoiners do is complain that everyone else is getting rich and/or destroying the planet. It Just isn’t so!

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by mrtksn »

modeless wrote: post #18
chmod775 wrote: post #5

> So, NVIDIA, the choice is yours! Either: Officially make current and all future drivers for all cards open source, while keeping the Verilog and chipset trade secrets... well, secret OR Not make the drivers open source, making us release the entire silicon chip files so that everyone not only knows your driver's secrets, but also your most closely-guarded trade secrets for graphics and computer chipsets too! Intere…

No single piece of software has wasted more of my time than Nvidia's drivers, mostly (though not exclusively) on Linux. They've rendered my OS unbootable so many times over the years. So many times I've spent whole days of my life troubleshooting, upgrading, downgrading, configuring, rebooting. Then often reinstalling the OS after their installers mess stuff up in ways that are impossible to even know until they pop…

Oh, tell me about it.

+Installs Linux, this time determined to make it daily driver. Why is this so slow though?

- You need to install Nvidia drivers

+ Oh, OK makes sense.

-- INSTALLS NVIDIA DRIVERS --

-- LINUX NO LONGER BOOTS, OBSCURE ERROR MESSAGE, FURIOUSLY GOOGLING ON A TINY PHONE SCREEN TRYING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE --

Later made myself a Hackintosh, eventually bought an actual Mac. The Hackintosh stuff was much, much more stable than anything Nvidia ever released when I was trying to use Linux. Installing patched kext files, trying make MacOS run at full resolution and with smooth animations on unsupported hardware was much less pain than dealing with official Nvidia drives on Linux.

It's sad to hear that graphics drivers are still not a solved problem on Linux.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by ehnto »

Pelam wrote: post #15
httpz wrote: post #9

>"We decided to help mining and gaming community," I don't understand how this demand helps the gaming community. Wouldn't this drive up the crypto-motivated demand for GPUs even more and hurt the gaming community?

For a long lists of reasons; I don’t like DRMesque features like LHR and don’t like the crypto craze. (And to be clear, cyber-extortion is clearly a criminal activity.) BUT, I think the ”helping gamers” sounds a bit hollow.

It helps them in one dimension and harms them in another. I think the ridiculous scarcity and price mechanics of graphics cards right now is a way worse issue than drivers, and we can advocate to have that fixed. Doesn't matter if they fix the drivers while cards are still 2k+ because I won't be using them anyway.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by darawk »

modeless wrote: post #18
chmod775 wrote: post #5

> So, NVIDIA, the choice is yours! Either: Officially make current and all future drivers for all cards open source, while keeping the Verilog and chipset trade secrets... well, secret OR Not make the drivers open source, making us release the entire silicon chip files so that everyone not only knows your driver's secrets, but also your most closely-guarded trade secrets for graphics and computer chipsets too! Intere…

No single piece of software has wasted more of my time than Nvidia's drivers, mostly (though not exclusively) on Linux. They've rendered my OS unbootable so many times over the years. So many times I've spent whole days of my life troubleshooting, upgrading, downgrading, configuring, rebooting. Then often reinstalling the OS after their installers mess stuff up in ways that are impossible to even know until they pop…

Same, glad to know i'm not the only one that deal with this.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by modeless »

ActorNightly wrote: post #63
modeless wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No single piece of software has wasted more of my time than Nvidia's drivers, mostly (though not exclusively) on Linux. They've rendered my OS unbootable so many times over the years. So many times I've spent whole days of my life troubleshooting, upgrading, downgrading, configuring, rebooting. Then often reinstalling the OS after their installers mess stuff up in ways that are impossible to even know until they pop…

A better solution would be for AMD to invest in bringing their ML stacks up to date to work with PyTorch and such.

That would be nice. It really boggles the mind how thoroughly AMD has missed the boat on ML. And it really seems like they aren't on any trajectory to catch up even today. I've given up on them. Instead I'm hoping that Intel's imminent entry into the discrete GPU market does better. Nvidia is in desperate need of some competent competition in ML.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by etataetaet »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #54
DangitBobby wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3. To actually help gamers and other legitimate users of GPUs

I’m sorry you are being outbid by another guy who wants to mine with a graphics card, but who are you to say that guy securing a censorship resistant and decentralized monetary system is less legit than your leisure time amateur rocket league tournament? If the owner uses it to train a ML model? Is that legit then? Or can general purpose GPUs only be single purpose for games. For gamers?

Or what about that guy finalizing their crypto rug pull? There are just too many bad actors in the crypto community. Most of it seems to be scams and over hyped coins that are completely useless.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by Zenbit_UX »

nharada wrote: post #10

> We decided to help mining and gaming community How does removing LHR help the gaming community?

Read the article?

Nvidia released it to make GPUs less desirable to crypto miners so gamers can actually get their hands on some.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by 0xedd »

dathinab wrote: post #41

They say they want to help miners, but... Congratulations: They just gave lawmakers another arguments to move against crypto currencies, especially PoS based ones.

The US is a small part of the world. Just a reminder. You can open a bank account in the EU that allows depositing cryptocurrency. The US is on the decline. It's propaganda is great, though.
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