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Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by hungryforcodes » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 6:39 AM UTC

Godel_unicode wrote: post #16

hungryforcodes wrote: post #14

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Just sell more GPUs. Nvidia makes more money. We get more and better GPUs. I'm not sure how this is bad.

So I take it you haven't tried to buy a 30-series GPU for gaming, then. It's impossible*, and that's because of mining*. * Yeah, yeah, I know, supply chain this and pandemic demand that, but it's really mining that's the culprit.

Nvida should be able to meet market demand. You just don't like crypto maybe. If Tesla was out of Models 3s you would blame...? Or correctly assess that Tesla should ramp up production.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by gambiting » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 6:40 AM UTC

Pelam wrote: post #15

httpz wrote: post #9

>"We decided to help mining and gaming community," I don't understand how this demand helps the gaming community. Wouldn't this drive up the crypto-motivated demand for GPUs even more and hurt the gaming community?

For a long lists of reasons; I don’t like DRMesque features like LHR and don’t like the crypto craze. (And to be clear, cyber-extortion is clearly a criminal activity.) BUT, I think the ”helping gamers” sounds a bit hollow.

What long list of reasons? LHR has absolutely zero impact on games. If anything, its presence was helping gamers because miners were at least somewhat put off buying LHR GPUs, making them more available to gamers.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by modeless » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 6:40 AM UTC

charcircuit wrote: post #11

I imagine Nvidia doesn't own the rights to the complete source code of the driver. Even if they wanted to open source it things move slow in big companies.

AMD and Intel did it. The excuses ring hollow.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by btmiller » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 6:42 AM UTC

randomhodler84 wrote: post #17

squarefoot wrote: post #4

I would rather outlaw cryptocurrencies for being a harm for the planet with their crazy energy demands, besides also fueling criminals.

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That’s a pretty hyperbolic response. There’s always a risk that mismanaged use of energy results in us never reaching Kardashev Type 1 (i.e. we destroy the habitability of the planet before we get there).

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by gambiting » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 6:42 AM UTC

randomhodler84 wrote: post #17

squarefoot wrote: post #4

I would rather outlaw cryptocurrencies for being a harm for the planet with their crazy energy demands, besides also fueling criminals.

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>>Bitcoin has been around 13 years at this point and you still don’t get why folks need to use energy to secure their money.

In those 13 years it has proven to be nothing more than a Ponzi scheme for cryptobros and probably one of the most wasteful endeavours that humanity has ever started. One can only hope that the next 13 years kill it for good, either by imploding internally, or it being outlawed in every country that can.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by gambiting » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 6:43 AM UTC

nharada wrote: post #10

> We decided to help mining and gaming community How does removing LHR help the gaming community?

It doesn't, it's just a PR statement to get more people on board.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by gruez » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 6:43 AM UTC

nojs wrote: post #8

> Nvidia introduced LHR in February 2021 with the launch of its GeForce RTX 3060 models. Three months later, the company brought LHR to its GeForce RTX 3080, 3070, and 3060 Ti graphics cards. The reason: to make the cards less desirable to people mining Ethereum and possibly other types of cryptocurrencies. What a bizarre move. Why would they do this?

1. Positive PR from "helping gamers"

2. Product segmentation (nvidia also make mining cards)

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by EMIRELADERO » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 6:44 AM UTC

nikau wrote: post #7

Pity they don't have the driver source code to make their own uncrippled firmware...

They do actually, in fact it was already leaked like a week ago. (the integ gpu drv RAR file has it + CUDA and more goodies)

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by smokey_circles » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 6:45 AM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #25

randomhodler84 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>>Bitcoin has been around 13 years at this point and you still don’t get why folks need to use energy to secure their money. In those 13 years it has proven to be nothing more than a Ponzi scheme for cryptobros and probably one of the most wasteful endeavours that humanity has ever started. One can only hope that the next 13 years kill it for good, either by imploding internally, or it being outlawed in every country…

> Ponzi scheme

Doesn't meet the requirement: New investor money to pay old investors.

Which is not to say it's problem free, but that problem is at the exchange level. Art suffers the same flaws. And Yachts. And on and on and on. That's why we have regulations.

Desperately need regulation at the fiat/crypto exchange

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by bouncycastle » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 6:46 AM UTC

I'm not a big fan of limiting hardware to run only approved software. One day it's for limiting crypto mining, the next day it will be for limiting our ability to use strong encryption. It's a slippery slope.