Nope. We are not surrendered and have no plan to do that. Tell that to your Russian friends.
I'm pretty sure he means the Ukrainians inside the nuclear plant, not Ukrainians in general.
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#512Good thing the nuclear reactor isn't allowed to run Java...
Or SQL Server...
https://web.archive.org/web/20110705230730/http://news.cnet....
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#514Earlier quoted context omitted.
But then he got replaced 4 years later. Unlike what happened in Russia.
But there's a real treath that he can become president again. The real problem is that there's big gap in how the democrats see the world vs how republicans see the world. From the outside it's really mindblowing how differently they see and interpret the world. And the same is happening all over the world.
When it comes to defense, republicans and democrats see the world similarly. It's the one topic which you could say there's no gap in their desires. Republicans and democrats place utmost value in the American hegemony.
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No, it's not. We are arguing semantics.
Why isn’t it?
Because a reactor explosion is a small chemical reaction, with the yield of a single medium-sized conventional bomb, that also happens to scatter some amount of radioactive crap into the surrounding environment.
Whereas a nuclear explosion is a self-sustaining nuclear reaction, which produces a fireball that can engulf an entire city.
Given the option, I'd far rather stand a mile downwind of an exploding reactor[1], than a mile from ground zero of any modern nuclear weapon[2]. The solution to the first problem is walking away, and trying not to breathe too much of the crap in. There is no solution to the second problem, because you, and everything in miles around you would be instantly incinerated.
[1] https://youtu.be/xulAgMNK5Jk?t=193
[2] https://youtu.be/r3l0G3XOUv4 - the fireball is a mile across. Anyone for miles outside the fireball zone will be turned into charcoal. Each modern ICBM carries 6-12 of these. That is what nuclear war will look like. Both sides in a nuclear conflict will fire hundreds of them, against opposing cities.
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Putin might nuke Warsaw an hour after the no-fly zone is imposed. He's that crazy.
The only rational response to that would be a nuclear attack on Moscow. Likely, though, he just wants to make you think he’s that crazy. Madness is a major component of MAD.
Indeed. A responsive deterrent is only a deterrent if you believe the other person will absolutely, 100%-of-the-time, without-blinking-an-eye execute the strike.
If you think they might not, because ethics and morals, then the deterrent's value is discounted by your percentage of doubt.
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So? What if Putin threatens nuclear annihilation anyway?
It's the clear line in the sand. Putin's not going to cross that line, he doesn't gain anything from it.
> Putin's not going to cross that line, he doesn't gain anything from it.
He doesn't really gain anything by nuking everyone if they help Ukraine either, but that's the threat regardless.
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#518Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, I'm certain that the Ukraine does not want to spark a world war, but they certainly would appreciate some direct support from NATO, even just air support. (which is likely to lead to a world war, but that's not Ukraine's intention, they are just trying to preserve their country). Despite any inaccuracies due to the "fog of war" or even propaganda, the basic facts of this unprovoked invasion are more than…
“Just air support” means a hot war between the US and Russia, which would be an extremely dangerous thing. It’s extremely irresponsible to advocate for that. There is a reason they weren’t allowed into NATO before, and that reason has only gotten stronger.
I'm not advocating for any direct NATO involvement, I was just saying that Ukraine would love NATO support, even if just air support (which they've already asked for), but even that would likely escalate this into a world war.
I'm not sure how you read that as me advocating for NATO involvement.
But I disagree with your assertion that the reason to not let them into NATO has gotten stronger, I think this invasion shows that the reason to let Ukraine in to NATO has gotten stronger.
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#519"BREAKING: Ukraine's energy ministry claims firefighters have been fired at while trying to put out fire at Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant" https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/149954992461016678...
I misunderstood "fired".
It’s amazing that in this context it could have at least three different meanings: being fired with guns, their contact being terminated, or just been thrown fire (less usual or even grammatically incorrect, I know)
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Just realised that the point I've made in response to a comment probably should be a level higher: Don't trust the radiation monitoring system , the actual monitoring system has been destroyed by a rocket impact three days ago. The monitoring system has been shot down on 1 Sep. Here is the statement from the Nuclear Agency in Ukraine: On March 1, 2022 at 11:40 as a result of rocket impact, the communication network o…
The link doesn't load right now (HN overload?) but I wonder, if the comms are down, shouldn't the system report "no data" as opposed to "all clear"? Why should there be an explicit warning about not trusting it when the system itself should easily be able to tell whether it's getting fresh data?
Maybe they forked AWS' status page.