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Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
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Every country has its propaganda and lies, but they're generally couched in half-truths. It's truly remarkable how the Russian flavor of misinformation sounds just like a pathological liar making up wild bullshit that nobody could possibly take seriously. That's been a tradition for decades, as far as I know.
Unfortunately America has just shown us that it too can advance a wildly inappropriate and simply stupid individual to the highest levels of power.
But then he got replaced 4 years later. Unlike what happened in Russia.
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IMO you have to consider there is an information war going on so to me the only rational thing to do is take everything you think you know with a grain of salt. There probably is a tactical advantage from the Russian side to putting out the idea that Putin has gone crazy. Or he really has gone crazy. We can't really know but the fog of war spreading to social media does not seem like a great development.
There probably is a tactical advantage from the Russian side to putting out the idea that Putin has gone crazy. What other explanation is there for invading a European country with close ties to the USA and NATO -- one claim for the invasion is that Putin was worried that Ukraine would join NATO, if they are that friendly to NATO, then he must have known that NATO would help fight.
> What other explanation is there for invading a European country with close ties to the USA and NATO
This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZLhRP01jz8 seems like a possibility.
> one claim for the invasion is that Putin was worried that Ukraine would join NATO, if they are that friendly to NATO, then he must have known that NATO would help fight.
Well, look at what's happened. Look at what has happened previously in Crimea, look what happened in the Ukraine separatist regions before. Look at what is happening now. He would not necessarily have to be totally irrational to believe objectives could be achieved there.
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Did I miss something today? Did NATO deploy troops into Russia or Ukraine?
If you want to achieve victory, you must understand your enemy as well as yourself. The Russian attitude towards NATO expansion into Ukraine can be roughly viewed from an American perspective as well equivalent as the old Warsaw Pact attempting to bring Mexico into their treaty. Or, at least, this is part of the explanation used to frame it as an ‘existential threat’ for Russia. This, combined with a somewhat precari…
How would annexation of Ukraine further Russia’s strategic goals at this point? NATO expansion is getting more popular by the hour, as is joining the EU. Economic sanctions weaken Russia, and will continue for years to decades if Ukraine is annexed. Sure, the Russian army can get total victory given enough time, but winning the war doesn’t benefit Russia.
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#465This has been a real reckoning for me, as somebody who has historically been very pro-nuclear. Quite simply, humanity is too good at screwing things up to harness such a fundamentally powerful and dangerous source of power. It requires a commitment to long lasting peace and stability that we're just not capable of.
This is bad, but nuclear isn't uniquely dangerous here: just imagine the same kind of shelling around a large dam.
> a large dam
It would be catastrophic but much more localized. Fallout from Chernobyl went around the world several times, poisoning most of the humans alive or being made at the time (not to mention the rest of the biomass)
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
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Unfortunately America has just shown us that it too can advance a wildly inappropriate and simply stupid individual to the highest levels of power.
But then he got replaced 4 years later. Unlike what happened in Russia.
Yes, because Trump is no Putin when it comes to maintaining power, and the US is a much more stable democracy with strong checks and balances.
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Purposely causing nuclear disasters is one way to ensure a country can never join NATO or the EU Putin doesn't have to occupy the country to "win", all he has to do is set them back to the dark ages and make everyone (who can) flee. He can't be allowed to get away with this. Ukraine needs a "no fly zone" ASAP
> Purposely causing nuclear disasters is one way to ensure a country can never join NATO or the EU Why? Nuclear disaster is bad, but how would it ensure that a country can _never_ join NATO or the EU? Ukraine already had the Chernobyl disaster on their soil, and I don't see that one as keeping them out of either organisation _forever_.
gp was saying that if you blow up the country enough, there's no country left to join NATO.
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? It’s a Geiger counter. It’s cheaper than having an oscilloscope, which wouldn’t be “understated” either.
Do YOU have a geiger counter on your desk?
Well, I just ordered one, which was not a thing I expected to do when I woke up today.
We'll see if it actually ships; seems lots of people have the same idea right now.
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#469This has been a real reckoning for me, as somebody who has historically been very pro-nuclear. Quite simply, humanity is too good at screwing things up to harness such a fundamentally powerful and dangerous source of power. It requires a commitment to long lasting peace and stability that we're just not capable of.
And this is part of why a lot of Germans have always been uneasy with nuclear power.
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#470This has been a real reckoning for me, as somebody who has historically been very pro-nuclear. Quite simply, humanity is too good at screwing things up to harness such a fundamentally powerful and dangerous source of power. It requires a commitment to long lasting peace and stability that we're just not capable of.
It's not that nuclear is easy or perfect. But until we scale up renewable energy by orders of magnitude, or somehow scale down demand, nuclear is the least-bad choice by many measures.