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Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
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Can newer plants be bombed? Can they be abandoned?
See molten salt reactors. There are automatic mechanisms that are supposed to prevent worst case situations.
but also cannot realistically operate for very long becase structural components tend to deteriorate quickly from the combo of salt, high heat, and radiation.
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Ukraine TV live on YouTube.
Links please !
TSN: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXoJ8kY9zpLBEz-8saaT3ew
One of the channels that broadcasts (24/7) stream which is mentioned in the message above + periodically posted short clips of the news
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Purposely causing nuclear disasters is one way to ensure a country can never join NATO or the EU Putin doesn't have to occupy the country to "win", all he has to do is set them back to the dark ages and make everyone (who can) flee. He can't be allowed to get away with this. Ukraine needs a "no fly zone" ASAP
Putin might nuke Warsaw an hour after the no-fly zone is imposed. He's that crazy.
The only rational response to that would be a nuclear attack on Moscow. Likely, though, he just wants to make you think he’s that crazy. Madness is a major component of MAD.
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Can newer plants be bombed? Can they be abandoned?
See molten salt reactors. There are automatic mechanisms that are supposed to prevent worst case situations.
"Another basic problem with MSRs is that the materials used to manufacture the various reactor components will be exposed to hot salts that are chemically corrosive, while being bombarded by radioactive particles. So far, there is no material that can perform satisfactorily in such an environment. A 2018 review from the Idaho National Laboratory could only recommended that “a systematic development program be initiated” to develop new alloys that might work better. There is, of course, no guarantee that the program will be successful."
https://theconversation.com/nuclear-power-why-molten-salt-re...
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
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See molten salt reactors. There are automatic mechanisms that are supposed to prevent worst case situations.
Molten salt reactors are designed to avoid meltdowns. But most of the harm at Chernobyl was from the explosion. There is nothing in a molten salt reactor that makes them any safer than Chernobyl if the reactor containment is breached. Massive amounts of highly radioactive particles will be ejected into the atmosphere in exactly the same way as happened at Chernobyl. Molten salt advocates will say "yes, but what could…
> A steam explosion is what happened to the Chernobyl reactor in 1986. Although this lead to a serious disaster, it is much less destructive than an actual nuclear explosion (Wilkins, 2011). Due to the nature of molten salt reactors, the risk of either a steam explosion, a hydrogen explosion or a meltdown is effectively eliminated.
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It doesn't surprise me if they believe that considering the ridiculous stream of fantasy being spewed out of Russian leader and media.
Every country has its propaganda and lies, but they're generally couched in half-truths. It's truly remarkable how the Russian flavor of misinformation sounds just like a pathological liar making up wild bullshit that nobody could possibly take seriously. That's been a tradition for decades, as far as I know.
> It's truly remarkable how the Russian flavor of misinformation sounds just like a pathological liar making up wild bullshit that nobody could possibly take seriously.
IIRC, the correct term is disinformation, and I believe the idea (at least sometimes) is more akin to "jamming" than any kind of persuasion (e.g. encourage passivity because it's too much effort to sort out the truth from the lies).
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Purposely causing nuclear disasters is one way to ensure a country can never join NATO or the EU Putin doesn't have to occupy the country to "win", all he has to do is set them back to the dark ages and make everyone (who can) flee. He can't be allowed to get away with this. Ukraine needs a "no fly zone" ASAP
Putin might nuke Warsaw an hour after the no-fly zone is imposed. He's that crazy.
No he isn’t, then he’d be at war with at least 3 other nuclear powers. You know Poland is both EU and NATO right?
He has a difficult time winning the war already, he’d never be able to win if he pulls in more countries.
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> One is fighting to survive an attack by the other. This statement, while true, changes denotation depending on the scale at which you view this conflict. If you view it as a conflict between Russia and Ukraine, the existential threat is to Ukraine. If you view it as a conflict between Russia and NATO, the existential threat is to Russia.
I don't quite understand Russia's paranoia around NATO. Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia already border Russia (+ Poland if you count Kaliningrad). Why is it such a big deal for Ukraine to enter a defense pact, unless Russia wants to retain the right to invade when they see fit? Not trying to be rhetorical, this existential threat to Russia is news to me.
It makes more sense when examining their history. This is probably a decent place to start: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/ru...