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Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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yankee?

It's slang for a person from the US. Wikipedia has a page on it if you're interested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American. To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner. To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner. To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander. To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter. And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

#52
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Yes, as a Brit I was quite surprised about that ;-) As for the other side, there's not just the issue of who builds for them but who builds with them. If the industry perception of Oracle becomes establised that they're awkward, litigious and have an attitude problem, who's going to buy the licenses and build products against their platform?

[ I'm sure in Larry's eyes "uppity yankee hipsters" and "uppity brit hipsters" are equivalent ;) ] I don't think they have a reputation for being awkward with their own customers/partners/etc; they're unashamedly merciless with competitors, and this is well known. In the enterprise sector the two categories often overlap, but then again in those circles being a shark is actually considered a good thing anyway. At the…

Was it not Oracle who sued an alternative support provider out of existence on very spurious grounds? That's hardly a customer-friendly action; I can't imagine the support organisation's customers were very well disposed to Oracle after this.

I'm sure they are targeting (who they think are) their competitors. I see and hear good things about their technology. I don't doubt the management culture of some organisations would count it as to their credit that they act 'forcefully'.

But still, there surely has to come a tipping point beyond which aggressive nastiness and cockiness works against, not for them. It's not relevant for me on several grounds but this is one more black mark against Oracle's culture for me that would discourage me from working with them and make me wonder what it'd take for them to do something similar to me.

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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If Autonomy's CEO said it was an April Fools joke, then HP and himself would not look very good in front of Wall Street or stock holders. There might actually be SEC complications also.

Only if they didn't reveal that it was a joke at the end of the meeting...

No, he would lose creditability with everyone. You do not "punk" other companies. All future meetings would be clouded with the thought "is this real, or another punk by this guy".

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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The funniest part of the press release for me is the "About Oracle" section:

"Oracle (NASDAQ: ORCL) is the world's most complete, open, and integrated business software and hardware systems company."

Put it on every release, it will become true? Or something?

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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His point remains accurate regardless of his investing prowess. Startups aren't investing in Oracle licenses today and they were 10 years ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Google, Apple, Facebook are all using Oracle albeit not for their main consumer-facing product but more for internal systems that performs e-Commerce functionality.

Google and Apple? Are you sure about this?

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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Possible scenario for Oracle actions: A) ridicule HP into dropping Autonomy bid B) because of A the stock price of HP drops significantly C) Oracle buys HP D) Mark Hurd gets his HP executive washroom key back.

> A) ridicule HP into dropping Autonomy bid

I don't think Oracle would do anything to benefit HP

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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His point remains accurate regardless of his investing prowess. Startups aren't investing in Oracle licenses today and they were 10 years ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Google, Apple, Facebook are all using Oracle albeit not for their main consumer-facing product but more for internal systems that performs e-Commerce functionality.

If by Oracle you mean heavily modified version of mysql, then yes. Or if you mean Java, then yes.

But if you mean any Oracle technologies that need to be licensed, then no.

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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[ I'm sure in Larry's eyes "uppity yankee hipsters" and "uppity brit hipsters" are equivalent ;) ] I don't think they have a reputation for being awkward with their own customers/partners/etc; they're unashamedly merciless with competitors, and this is well known. In the enterprise sector the two categories often overlap, but then again in those circles being a shark is actually considered a good thing anyway. At the…

Was it not Oracle who sued an alternative support provider out of existence on very spurious grounds? That's hardly a customer-friendly action; I can't imagine the support organisation's customers were very well disposed to Oracle after this. I'm sure they are targeting (who they think are) their competitors. I see and hear good things about their technology. I don't doubt the management culture of some organisations…

Support is where Oracle makes the real money, so they're very aggressive there, but I think you're referring to the TomorrowNow case. They were bought by SAP to basically snatch Oracle customers, and "it looks like that TomorrowNow was probably cheating like mad. Instead of going to Oracle's support site and downloading only the patches and bug fixes its customers were entitled to, it downloaded all the Oracle software it could get its hands on. Oracle says TomorrowNow had a whole bank of servers skimming its computers automatically for Oracle software." (see http://www.computerworlduk.com/in-depth/it-business/3246680/... )

The "enterprise" world is full of sharks, Oracle is just one of many.

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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yankee?

It's slang for a person from the US. Wikipedia has a page on it if you're interested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee

Here in Texas, it means someone from the Northern US. It sounds really funny in that context. :)
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