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Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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God damn, is the Russian army really this stupid? Is this an act of desperation, ignorance or spite?

None of those. Destroying critical infrastructure like power plants and radio towers is a common step on the invading a country checklist. Of course considering this was a nuclear plant, one should hope that they were careful enough to limit the damage to prevent nuclear fallout.

Causing a nuclear incident in a place you want to occupy is profoundly stupid.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Yeah, and here's the current meteorological data: Air temperature 0 ℃ Wind N Wind speed 0 m/s Relative humidity 0 % Atmospheric pressure 0 mm Hg ... I hope that low pressure isn't from a vacuum bomb. with the HN meme of AWS status pages reporting everything fine while AWS is down, here we have good evidence we cannot rely on this website reporting reliable data. Here is the European Commission Radiation Map: https://…

The monitoring system has been shot down on 1 Sep. Here is the statement from the Nuclear Agency in Ukraine: On March 1, 2022 at 11:40 as a result of rocket impact, the communication network of Zaporizhzhya NPP was damaged. As a result, the Automated Radiation Monitoring System (ARMS) of the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant lost its full functionality and stopped the transmission of data to the international radiatio…

1 September ? It doesn't seem likely it was shot 6 months ago. You mean 1st March ?

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

#173
post #18

Interesting twitter space discussion goign on right now: https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1LyxBowlNzoKN?s=20 speakers seem informed

This discussion has been very helpful for my understanding of the situation and has been reducing my anxiety, thank you.

You are welcome, also I saw you commented about rising radiation levels somewhere else earlier. I think this has been covered perhaps before you chimed in, a physicist claimed that the higher radiation levels, assuming they are actually recorded, could very likely be caused by the weapons used in the are and not reflect the true levels. I unfortunately don't have the necessary expertise to explain that further, but I assume it's simmiliar to smoking a ciggarette into a air pollution sensor.

edit: seems like you just asked for a source, I misread the comment chain

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they were to spring a leak then it would be impossible to hide their activity from the population at home, so my guess is that's something they would try to avoid.

That almost seems irellevant, even if Putin cared what people think (I don't think he does for the most part), he controls almost all of the media in the country. He can just tell people "Ukraine did it" and they can believe him or not, it doesn't really matter.

A large ecological disaster from an open air uncontrolled nuclear power plant fire would be a European wide concern. The results could be considered a WMD.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Live stream from plant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8 Automated Radiation Monitoring system: https://www.npp.zp.ua/en/safety/arms

Just realised that the point I've made in response to a comment probably should be a level higher: Don't trust the radiation monitoring system , the actual monitoring system has been destroyed by a rocket impact three days ago. The monitoring system has been shot down on 1 Sep. Here is the statement from the Nuclear Agency in Ukraine: On March 1, 2022 at 11:40 as a result of rocket impact, the communication network o…

Damn, maybe one of the sides should consider fixing that before they proceed with shooting at each other.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

#177
post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and here's the current meteorological data: Air temperature 0 ℃ Wind N Wind speed 0 m/s Relative humidity 0 % Atmospheric pressure 0 mm Hg ... I hope that low pressure isn't from a vacuum bomb. with the HN meme of AWS status pages reporting everything fine while AWS is down, here we have good evidence we cannot rely on this website reporting reliable data. Here is the European Commission Radiation Map: https://…

> low pressure isn't from a vacuum bomb Do you know if these really show a significantly different pressure effect from conventional bombs? I saw a chart showing a fatter tail on the shockwave, but it wasn't really that dramatic. I'm curious because I can imagine all kinds of vacuum effects in my mind's eye, but this is also informed by a _lot_ of the now-doubtful PR-style efforts on selling these things in years pas…

Any vacuum would only exist for a few seconds as there’s nothing to contain it.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

#178

God damn, is the Russian army really this stupid? Is this an act of desperation, ignorance or spite?

My best mental model for the leadership of Russia's Ukraine invasion is an abusive parent who can't get his kid to bend to his will. Repeated failed attempts cause the parent to become more emotional, destructive, and out of control of himself, so we've gone from just an unprovoked invasion with airport attacks, attacks on radar sites, and occupation of the exclusion zone; to trying to assassinate Zelenskyy and starting to target refugees, residential areas, and shooting at nuclear plants.

As Ukranians continue to fight back and the West plays economic games instead of taking decisive military action, the escalation will continue until, by the end, everyone will agree that we should have just risked the initial nuclear threats of Russia rather than having Putin start launching nuclear weapons after having also leveled most of Ukraine and done whatever other increments of catastrophic forms of abuse come to his team's minds unyil then.

Alternatively, Putin wins before he feels backed that far into a corner, or maybe he's deposed before we reach nuclear weapons. But I really can't picture him backing down from confrontation, given that he was of a mindset to invade Ukraine.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

#179

I am absolutely livid and terrified for the state of the world right now.

I was only 4 during the Cuban Missile crisis, but I've talked to people who remember it and this sounds a lot like it.

Others have pointed out that, unfortunately, the threat of nuclear war never really went away, we just got better at ignoring it except at times like this.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

#180

I am absolutely livid and terrified for the state of the world right now.

I was only 4 during the Cuban Missile crisis, but I've talked to people who remember it and this sounds a lot like it.

The Cuban missile crisis seemed far less stupid. Like, shelling the nuclear power plant?
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