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Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Live stream from plant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8 Automated Radiation Monitoring system: https://www.npp.zp.ua/en/safety/arms

CNN's homepage currently has video of the Russian shells impacting the plant, shot from the same camera doing that live stream. Extremely unsettling.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few artillery shells probably won't breach the containment. Missile shielding is part of the plant design (I don't know what level of shielding; US plants are designed to withstand a strike by an airliner). Not saying that the attack is thus acceptable, just saying that it will take a concerted effort to breach the containment.

Soviet era plants don’t have containment shells. I don’t know about this one though.

I'm certainly no expert, but I read a little bit about it before I commented. The reactors here do have a building intended to serve as containment. I didn't really see much assessment of how robust it is.

This is from last week and discusses the practical impacts of war around the plant being a major issue even if the plant isn't involved:

https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/02/24/most-immediate-nucl...

That article briefly mentions this page, where the CEO of Ukraine's nuclear operator states that they are protected:

https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/A-guide-Nuclear-...

"In addition, Ukrainian power units are ready even for an aircraft crash, because the containment and the reactor vessel designed to withstand corresponding risks."

Russia doesn't need to control the immediate areas around nuclear plants in the initial phases of their invasion, it's lunacy that they aren't carefully avoiding them.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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post #106

God damn, is the Russian army really this stupid? Is this an act of desperation, ignorance or spite?

This powers 1/4 of Ukraine. Holding the plant will give them a lot of leverage.

They could have just thrown breakers at junctions or cut the power lines. No need to set the reactor on fire.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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God damn, is the Russian army really this stupid? Is this an act of desperation, ignorance or spite?

None of those. Destroying critical infrastructure like power plants and radio towers is a common step on the invading a country checklist. Of course considering this was a nuclear plant, one should hope that they were careful enough to limit the damage to prevent nuclear fallout.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

#146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few artillery shells probably won't breach the containment. Missile shielding is part of the plant design (I don't know what level of shielding; US plants are designed to withstand a strike by an airliner). Not saying that the attack is thus acceptable, just saying that it will take a concerted effort to breach the containment.

Soviet era plants don’t have containment shells. I don’t know about this one though.

This one has a smaller core than a RBMK so it was cheap enough to have a containment shell that the Soviets were willing to pay for one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VVER#Safety_barriers

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is war, and it involves nuclear things. That’s what he meant by “literal sense,” I think.

Ah, behold, my fist is an atomic weapon because ultimately the damage it inflicts is because of the Coulomb repulsion force of the fist atoms with other atoms.

No. Your fist is a biological weapon.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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post #131

One can wonder what does it takes for the west to military intervene. Sanctions are a long term plan but it won't save Ukraine.

The risks of nuclear war from a NATO militarily intervention are far too high to even consider it. I’m sorry to say, but there is really nothing that could happen in Ukraine that would be bad enough for us to accept the risk of nuclear annihilation.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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post #106

God damn, is the Russian army really this stupid? Is this an act of desperation, ignorance or spite?

This powers 1/4 of Ukraine. Holding the plant will give them a lot of leverage.

They can already easily cut (or threaten to cut) main power lines anywhere nearby. It’s not like ukrainian army controls all the area except for the the plant itself.

So we’re back to the question: how can they be so stupid to attack the facility itself?

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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post #98

Firefighter have access now: https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1499555239351005194?s=21 https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499555095817728023?s=21 "According to Andrey Tuz, spokesman of the press service of the nuclear power plant, there is no threat of radiation spread."

And now Russian forces have entered the building and are fighting inside.
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