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Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by gzer0 »

mattl wrote: post #50
gzer0 wrote: post #49

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I am struggling to understand where you are coming from. Can you elaborate? The cheapest second-hand iPhone that runs the latest iOS 15.0+ is an iPhone SE 1st gen (2016). Current prices on eBay indicate a price of $70. There is not a single Android that has been supported for this long of a time.

You can run iOS 15 on an iPhone SE (2016). They're very cheap to pick up. Around $70.

Ahh my mistake, you're right.

[1] https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/supported-models-iphe...

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by lucb1e »

danuker wrote: post #36
lucb1e wrote: post #26

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Good questions. I guess for eventual publishing, the app repository fees need to be paid indeed. That only applies to development and not security testing though.

There are some cases like free-software where you wouldn't need the app store.

What's the point of making iOS software then? Just compile it for whatever platform one would run the emulator on. If I understand your comment correctly.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by smoldesu »

cyberpunk wrote: post #37
danuker wrote: post #33

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I'm not an apple fanboy. I do have a M1, but I once spent 4 months porting KDE to solaris 10 x86 to run on a hp probook (and even got paid to do it)... I routinely try to exit the apple ecosystem but it always costs me pain and time, which hasn't been worth it for a number of years now. looks at drawer of ubuntu dell XPS's, ThinkPads running openbsd, etc etc . I've fucking TRIED ... :( It's been linux and bsd machine…

Then it's not for you. No shame in admitting that. For other people, though, Macbooks simply also don't make sense. Wanna run that 32-bit plugin you use in Photoshop? You're out of luck. How about some advanced Docker development? Hope you don't plan on doing it locally. Hunted by your government for whistleblowing? Probably shouldn't use a laptop that can automate the process of ratting you out.

If you're a webdev or hipster programmer chasing the most lucrative Web3 gigs, sure, buying a Macbook is probably the kind of status symbol your peers will respect you for. At the end of the day though, they're all just tools with different uses. If you can use an ARM laptop for day-to-day work, then don't let anyone stop you from doing it.

What people dislike is your "every serious developer owns a Macbook" claim. It's the sort of thing you hear from West-coast Google engineers who look around their office of L3 Javascript employees for a sample size before posting a comment. It honestly doesn't reflect the myriad of programmers you'll encounter in the world; some of the most productive 10x developers and "security people" I've met are using systems that even I would consider asinine, like NixOS, QUBES, Whonix or OpenBSD. I don't knock them, though. We judge hackers based on their skill, not their salary range, clout, and least of all by the laptop they have in their backpack.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by chrismorgan »

mattl wrote: post #43
chrismorgan wrote: post #39

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The cheapest second hand iPhones that run the current version of iOS (but are right at the tail of any support) are on the high side of the price range of what I’ve ever spent on a new, primary phone that I expect to last me at least several years. (And although it’s not as common as the alternative, I’m hardly alone in not spending much on phones; now laptops, on the other hand—.) I don’t want to spend more on a dev…

An iPhone SE 1st Generation can be had for around $70. What phones are you buying?

OK, I was looking at iPhone 6S, a glance at eBay Australia suggests they’re starting somewhere around AUD150. iPhone SE 1st generation looks to be starting at more like AUD120.

I spent around AUD150 on each of my first two phones. Last year I splurged on a PinePhone (around AUD300 including dock and shipping) which I hope will last me for the next decade.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by neurostimulant »

gzer0 wrote: post #49
chrismorgan wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cheapest second hand iPhones that run the current version of iOS (but are right at the tail of any support) are on the high side of the price range of what I’ve ever spent on a new, primary phone that I expect to last me at least several years. (And although it’s not as common as the alternative, I’m hardly alone in not spending much on phones; now laptops, on the other hand—.) I don’t want to spend more on a dev…

I am struggling to understand where you are coming from. Can you elaborate? The cheapest second-hand iPhone that runs the latest iOS 15.0+ is an iPhone SE 1st gen (2016). Current prices on eBay indicate a price of $70. There is not a single Android that has been supported for this long of a time.

Second-hand iphones are expensive in asia. For example, that second-hand iphone SE 2020 you mentioned cost ~$350 here. That's more expensive than some locally-produced mid-range android phones.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by paulpauper »

smackeyacky wrote: post #14
lucb1e wrote: post #3

With this, would it finally be possible to test iOS apps without having to first buy into the Apple ecosystem? Seems super helpful for developers, security testing, etc.

You can semi not buy into the apple ecosystem at the moment. Purchase a 2nd hand iphone and then run this Docker based OSX system: https://github.com/sickcodes/Docker-OSX It's fine for personal projects using something like usbfluxd to talk to your iphone from the docker container. I wouldn't rely on it to do commercial work.

buying an iphone means it's still in the apple ecosystem. the problem is not the money but the hassle of having to buy it

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by gman83 »

jjcon wrote: post #44
chrismorgan wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cheapest second hand iPhones that run the current version of iOS (but are right at the tail of any support) are on the high side of the price range of what I’ve ever spent on a new, primary phone that I expect to last me at least several years. (And although it’s not as common as the alternative, I’m hardly alone in not spending much on phones; now laptops, on the other hand—.) I don’t want to spend more on a dev…

If you don't daily drive an iPhone and you don't want to buy into Apples ecosystem, why do you want to develop for their ecosystem (which of course requires $100 a year to do so)? Genuinely curious cause I see a lot of people with this sentiment, is it for work related purposes or something? Or testing of web work potentially?

I have some sideproject apps that I built with Flutter that I use on my Android phone, and I would make them available on iOS if I didn't have to pay any money to do so.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by chrismorgan »

jjcon wrote: post #44
chrismorgan wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cheapest second hand iPhones that run the current version of iOS (but are right at the tail of any support) are on the high side of the price range of what I’ve ever spent on a new, primary phone that I expect to last me at least several years. (And although it’s not as common as the alternative, I’m hardly alone in not spending much on phones; now laptops, on the other hand—.) I don’t want to spend more on a dev…

If you don't daily drive an iPhone and you don't want to buy into Apples ecosystem, why do you want to develop for their ecosystem (which of course requires $100 a year to do so)? Genuinely curious cause I see a lot of people with this sentiment, is it for work related purposes or something? Or testing of web work potentially?

For myself, it’s mostly web stuff with Safari and Safari on iOS that I’d really like to be able to test from time to time.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by rbut »

cyberpunk wrote: post #37
danuker wrote: post #33

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I'm not an apple fanboy. I do have a M1, but I once spent 4 months porting KDE to solaris 10 x86 to run on a hp probook (and even got paid to do it)... I routinely try to exit the apple ecosystem but it always costs me pain and time, which hasn't been worth it for a number of years now. looks at drawer of ubuntu dell XPS's, ThinkPads running openbsd, etc etc . I've fucking TRIED ... :( It's been linux and bsd machine…

Reliability? I run a Ubuntu on a Dell XPS 13, and Ubuntu on a custom i9 desktop with no reliability issues at all. In fact I spend less time fixing things than I used to with my Macs (which I used exclusively for 13 years). What reliability issues are you talking about?

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by otterley »

eggsome wrote: post #20
otterley wrote: post #15

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Let's not endorse committing fraud here. (Also, such activity could harm innocent purchasers of devices with stolen serial numbers.)

It's an interesting thought experiment though. Who is harming the purchasers? Apple, or the hacker copying down a publicly available piece of information?

Easy; it's the hacker. Whether the false information is publicly available is not a defense to fraud. Fraud is presenting false information (public or not) as true (in this case, that the serial number of the item belongs to you as a bona fide purchaser) and an innocent party (Apple + the consumer) relying on it to their detriment.
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