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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by turndown »

0x500x79 wrote: post #3

There should be more accountability for incorrect DMCAs. I see why Nintendo is doing this, but it is wrong. Nintendo is famous for reselling old games on each and every new platform they build and this takes away that revenue. According to a thread on Reddit this video only showed emulators and not ROMs. Pretty wild that there is no accountability for these actions.

> Nintendo is famous for reselling old games on each and every new platform they build and this takes away that revenue.

I get why you might think this but it’s also almost categorically wrong nowadays. Sony and Microsoft have significantly larger portions of their old games available for replay or purchase than Nintendo does. The only virtual console content produced for the Switch has been locked behind their low quality online servers. I definitely look forward to BOTW2 and maybe an end-of-generation Pokémon game but otherwise I have a very dim view of Nintendo.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by kube-system »

throwanem wrote: post #14
jay_kyburz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the interesting question is, how are they doing it? I would think if you kept the game shots short and incidental the copyright would be fair use.

A judge would consider the fair use argument. I don't know that YouTube employs judges in content moderation. (I don't know that YouTube employs humans in content moderation, at least below director level.)

Most YouTube takedowns are not done through DMCA. They're done because YouTube cooperates directly with many content owners to do takedowns voluntarily. There are almost no legal limits or regulatory terms to what YouTube is permitted to voluntarily take down.

Fair Use is only a legal defense. It is not a requirement that YouTube host your content.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by saltminer »

jeroenhd wrote: post #18
jonny_eh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brand exclusives and a low console price are all it's got A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

It sure is, but the cost of ownership if the Switch is higher than that of the Steam deck. Games on Steam are cheap and plentiful. The quality requirements of the Nintendo's storefront are ridiculously low. I've seen footage of the Switch WWE game and frankly it should never have been allowed into any store front, let alone the one people expect to be better. There are plenty of platformers out there, but only one co…

Agreed, I had hoped Nintendo would have some quality standards, but the shovelware seems even worse than it was on the Wii. Perhaps that's because I have all those shovelware titles at my fingertips now vs having to go to a store to find Wii games (I never used the online functionality of the Wii), but in any case, it feels overwhelming.

Not that Steam is a bastion of quality (or necessarily has a better ratio of decent:shovelware titles), but by the numbers, it definitely takes the crown for quantity of decent titles (if for no other reason than it having been around much longer).

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by meibo »

shmerl wrote: post #4

Someone is scared Switch got competition that can run Nintendo games that even Switch itself can't.

Not really can't, moreso won't. It's embarrassing how small their retro games lineup is, so long after launch. And yet they're raking it in, because their extremely low quality online offering is so cheap that it doesn't matter to most.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by JoshTriplett »

endisneigh wrote: post #11
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I mean, of course Nintendo would hate piracy. You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. The fact Nintendo even exists at all in the face of competitors orders of magnitude bigger is impressive. Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms.

> You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest.

I have an actual physical NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, Gamecube, and Wii, along with games. The NES and SNES don't reliably run games anymore. I expect the others to eventually follow. And emulation provides better graphics, better features, portability (e.g. playing on a device you can travel with), creativity (romhacks, translations, etc). So yes, emulation can be used with games you actually own, and doing so has great advantages.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by ascar »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #26
jonny_eh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brand exclusives and a low console price are all it's got A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

Switch has an e-shop with expensive games that will eventually get offlined within a couple generations like the ones before it vs. Steam, an e-shop with every game, for cheaper, including all the games people bought over the last two decades. I can imagine how disruptive a successful Steam entry into the console space could be once people realize they are tired of "renting" $60 games from ad-hoc console e-shops.

I have to disagree hard on this. Nintendo was on the forefront of making old games playable on the new hardware. On the switch you can play many old SNES and N64 classics included in the Nintendo online subscription at ~2-4€ a month.

They re-released childhood favorites like Zelda Ocarina of Times and Super Mario 64 on the 3DS and I actually bought the 3DS (in a special Zelda variant no less) just for that and Majora's Mask. I had a blast.

In comparison Steam and PC in general was late to the party of remastering old games or even just keeping them playable. Getting old Win 98 or even some XP titles running is often a challenge and sometimes borderline impossible.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by kube-system »

gzer0 wrote: post #40
kube-system wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't even have to file a DMCA takedown request to take down videos from YouTube anyway, they have an entirely extralegal mechanism for taking down videos.

Guilty until proven innocent is what the DMCA is. Perhaps one of the most asinine, imbecilic, and nonsensical laws of our time.

It's also one of the most confused and irrelevant laws when it comes to people discussing how YouTube works. Something like 2% of takedowns on YouTube are through DMCA.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by causality0 »

TheDong wrote: post #25
0x500x79 wrote: post #3

There should be more accountability for incorrect DMCAs. I see why Nintendo is doing this, but it is wrong. Nintendo is famous for reselling old games on each and every new platform they build and this takes away that revenue. According to a thread on Reddit this video only showed emulators and not ROMs. Pretty wild that there is no accountability for these actions.

> this video only showed emulators and not ROMs It is probably still in violation of the DMCA. The DMCA also makes illegal tools that are primarily intended for circumvention, which these emulators almost certainly are. But, even moreso, removals of videos on youtube are typically not done through the DMCA directly, but rather through a private extra-judicial system youtube manages (content-id et al). Of course youtu…

I can't speak for other countries but emulators are 100% legal in the United States.
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