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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by lostgame »

endisneigh wrote: post #11
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I mean, of course Nintendo would hate piracy. You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. The fact Nintendo even exists at all in the face of competitors orders of magnitude bigger is impressive. Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms.

>> Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms.

We all felt the same way about SEGA in the early 90’s…

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by staticman2 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

Switch has better battery life than Deck, has a supply chain which is actually able to aquire parts in mass quantities and sell to a large number of customers, and is more user friendly than any PC will ever be.

I'll be buying a Deck in a few months when my preorder is ready to ship, but it's a niche product for tech enthusiasts while Nintendo makes mass market products for the general public.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by gitowiec »

throwanem wrote: post #14
jay_kyburz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the interesting question is, how are they doing it? I would think if you kept the game shots short and incidental the copyright would be fair use.

A judge would consider the fair use argument. I don't know that YouTube employs judges in content moderation. (I don't know that YouTube employs humans in content moderation, at least below director level.)

That made me laugh. Because my movies were also taken down because of background music. And that was the feeling I got when I raised "dispute" in YouTube system to defend my videos. It was like a Russian roulette

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by beebmam »

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

And out of all this, by far the most unethical thing Nintendo has ever done is refuse to release an English-language translation of Mother 3. I'll never forgive them for this, and I decided long ago I'll never buy another one of their products until they release it.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by TheDong »

0x500x79 wrote: post #3

There should be more accountability for incorrect DMCAs. I see why Nintendo is doing this, but it is wrong. Nintendo is famous for reselling old games on each and every new platform they build and this takes away that revenue. According to a thread on Reddit this video only showed emulators and not ROMs. Pretty wild that there is no accountability for these actions.

> this video only showed emulators and not ROMs

It is probably still in violation of the DMCA. The DMCA also makes illegal tools that are primarily intended for circumvention, which these emulators almost certainly are.

But, even moreso, removals of videos on youtube are typically not done through the DMCA directly, but rather through a private extra-judicial system youtube manages (content-id et al).

Of course youtube has the rights, as a private company, to remove videos for no reason. Of course Nintendo can request youtube to remove any video for any reasons, DMCA or not, with no legal issues.

I doubt any DMCA, false or otherwise, has actually been issued in this case, and "accountability for incorrect DMCAs" would not help as a result.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by hombre_fatal »

jonny_eh wrote: post #12
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> Brand exclusives and a low console price are all it's got A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

Switch has an e-shop with expensive games that will eventually get offlined within a couple generations like the ones before it vs. Steam, an e-shop with every game, for cheaper, including all the games people bought over the last two decades.

I can imagine how disruptive a successful Steam entry into the console space could be once people realize they are tired of "renting" $60 games from ad-hoc console e-shops.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by newbie789 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist.

For example I am a Zelda and Metroid fan (by “fan” I mean “someone that enjoys playing those games”), but I don’t think I’ve ever cared about any video game to the point of actually subjecting myself to any suffering. I know even more diehard friends than me that happily use emulators for games that they can’t find/afford.

Maybe there is a masochistic style of being a fan that someone can choose to subscribe to, but it’s not clear that it’s Nintendo’s fault that one would make such a choice.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by themikesanto »

lostgame wrote: post #21
endisneigh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, of course Nintendo would hate piracy. You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. The fact Nintendo even exists at all in the face of competitors orders of magnitude bigger is impressive. Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms.

>> Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms. We all felt the same way about SEGA in the early 90’s…

...and now I play Sonic Mania on my Nintendo Switch

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by jeroenhd »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #8
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I think the interesting question is, how are they doing it? I would think if you kept the game shots short and incidental the copyright would be fair use.

The DMCA is ridicously unbalanced. There's no penalty to filing false reports and if you disagree with a claim you have to hand over your personal information and fight it out in court. This is hardly a surprise given that the DMCA was written mostly by the copyright lobby; sadly, the law is working exactly as intended in such cases.

It's time to redo the DMCA, but I fear the copyright industry has only gained a bigger foothold since the DMCA was written.

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