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The next time an Islamic terrorist attacks the US, let's use this as precedent for denying random Muslims access to civic culture across the globe. Lovely world we're building.
Thats okay Russians. We didn't put on the sanctions. Our governments did -- so that argument is a two way street if you want to engage in bad faith arguments.
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They don't have to represent Russia, the organisers could let them play without the Russian flag next to the players name.
Everyone still thinks of them as representing Russia though, especially if you just let them be called "Russian Olympic Committee" or similar. Even if they were under a neutral flag everyone would think of the person as Russian. There's no way around it, we all already know where they are from, regardless of what they think of the war.
Yeah because they're from Russia. I just don't see how "people will think" is enough of a reason to ban them from playing an event.
(1) Some deranged person running Russia decided to invade Ukraine, kill innocent people and ruin millions of lives.
(2) A chess organization in Norway bans a player because they were born in the same country as the deranged person from above.
I don't get how (2) is an appropriate response to (1) or how it helps anyone. It's not a deterrent, it's not any kind of response - nobody in the Russian government will feel the tiniest bit of pressure because of it, it's such a token act that it's laughable to think about in the context of what's happening in Ukraine. At the same time it's a big deal to the handful of players it affects.
All this does is create publicity and make the careers of a few people significantly worse just because they happened to be born in the wrong country.
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Grischuk is a special personality who most of any chess enthusiast will know. This is like banning a Michael Jordan style personality - charismatic, charming, and a world class player on top. And he does this all in his own sort of unique deadpan style package. His demeanor and comments from the video in this thread are **EXTREMELY** out of character for him, emphasizing how much this is all clearly personally affect…
The logic is simple. If Ukrainians can’t play, then neither should Russians.
It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.
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And that usually plays to the advantage of the elite. Now the working class has only one supporter, the Russian government. Their propaganda of "west hates you" feels very real to them now. This is quite age old tactic that usually doesn't work, punishing civilians in the war usually does not demoralize them, but works against the aggressor. Same can be said about these sanctions. Why would they trust the west if we…
>Now the working class has only one supporter, the Russian government. They have only one enemy, the Russian government.
Do you think layman thinks the friend is the person who punishes them without them doing anything wrong? I find that seriously difficult to believe.
Think about it yourself. You go to a nightclub and then the doorman says only you're not allowed, because your friends who just went in said you're not wanted. Do you still consider them as your friends and just think it's for your best?
That's a very odd logic there.
I am always deeply disappointed with how little civic and ethical values the average person has left. Whenever the common narrative finds a way to blame something or someone, the collective dehumanizes the target in a way that's quite terrifying, actually. People love to parrot about how "dictators are bad", "hitler was bad", etc, but when they find themselves in trivial situations where they have to show what they'r…
One can either 1) sanction Russia (which impacts all Russians) 2) partially sanction (which is unavoidably subjective and abusable) or 3) not sanction Russia. This is a case of 1, based on the source link, "Norway announce that no Russian players will be able to play in the 2022 edition of the event"
It is not fair to talk about "civic and ethical values" outside of this extremely relevant moral context.
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This is how you step on a path of a genocide ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide )
Allowing a dictator to invade a neighboring country which he don't think had a right to exist, is how you end up with genocide.
How much more critical have you been of your own country invading other nations?