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The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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From what I've seen, across the industry, the folks who are burnt out are almost entirely individual contributors. You rarely see burnout in management, and it's typically in the form of folks who want to go back to being ICs/tried management and hated it. I think companies really need to work on reducing or eliminating the amount of bullshit ICs have to deal with vs management (time tracking, status updates, on call…

I've been a manager. Managers burn out all the time. They're just not allowed to show it. They get some degree of exemption from the petty humiliations (time tracking, on-call duty) and they do have human shields to throw in front of a bus or few... but as a middle manager, you're even closer to the truly horrible people up top, and your daily life is consumed by the issues faced by your unluckiest subordinate (sometimes he deserves it, sometimes he doesn't). You don't spend time with your underlings when the work is going well; you're constantly being pulled to deal with the crises and the sad cases.

Every company has an invisible line, like the officer/enlisted distinction in militaries, but always undocumented for obvious reasons. Above it are the real humans whom the company cares about; below it are the "resources". ICs are always below the line, except in R&D jobs that aren't available without a top-10 PhD... but most managers are also below the line.

Above the line, you basically write your own performance review because the bosses are your buddies. Below the line, it's miserable, and as you said you're one delay or mistake away from being sent to the Performance Improvement Camps. Almost all first-level managers in a company of significant size (25+ people) are below the line and spend just as much time on humiliating work justification (e.g., status reports) as the guys at the bottom.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Something that doesn't seem explored here is the effect of working on ineffective work. Everyone will encounter something like the following in their career 1. There is a problem that your customers and you face - but you are not allowed to solve it for "Reasons" 2. The product area will never work, but you must continue working on things that no one will ever use for "reasons". Ever write exhaustive test coverage fo…

For #4, it doesn't even need to be the same ticket. Having a ticket queue without end and that being all you do is enough too.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Why is burnout considered a syndrome that needs a solution? We work in a mentally exhausting and demanding field, why can't we normalize the idea of taking a break? Is the status quo really to work for several uninterrupted decades and then retire?

If a company has a burnt-out high performer they want to keep, then offer them a sabbatical. Let them take the time they need to relieve their stress. If they still don't want to come back, well that's life.

I say this as someone who put in their notice on this past Monday because of burn out. After nearly fifteen years working in this industry, I'm tired. I'm going to take time off and rest up, maybe work on my own projects. I feel no shame in this.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is another issue though. Nothing burns you out quite like realizing that you don't even want your boss's job. It makes your career feel hopeless.

"Nothing burns you out quite like realizing that you don't even want your boss's job." As much as I hated my last job, I thought my boss' job was even worse because of all the corporate BS he had to constantly put up with. He seemed to love his job despite that, though. Also, some of my colleagues (who'd been working for decades, just like me) seem to still love it and thrive on the stuff that made me want to quit an…

> Also, some of my colleagues (who'd been working for decades, just like me) seem to still love it and thrive on the stuff that made me want to quit and demotivated me. I'm fascinated with how some people like them are able to persevere and thrive in the same situations that make people like me quit and burn out.

It really comes down to the level of influence and control you have in the organization.

If you feel empowered to enact positive change, even if it's just at your level in collaboration with your colleagues, then that can be enough to remain motivated. Speaking for myself, for years, this describes how I managed to stay motivated through a lot of BS.

But when that falls away--when senior management becomes ineffective, when your colleagues leave or become demotivated themselves, when leadership starts to get in the way of your enacting change, when the organization becomes large enough that it's more likely to resist change than embrace it--that is when management becomes, at best, an unrelenting chore.

I've been a middle manager for nearly eight years. The first 5-6 of that were pretty good. But in the intervening years the company has grown and is now big enough that my ability to enact change in the organization has all but disappeared and I'm considering my options.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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I think remote work actually helps in extending how long one can be burnt out and still working - at least for as long as you are still functioning.

You don't need to put on your poker face all the time and can hide the depersonalization ghost in the closet for a little bit if there's a meeting. You can go hug your dog afterwards or do something else to keep on trucking.

Then some companies mandated a return to the office. Ghosts won't be in the closet for an entire workday in a bland office setting full of people you don't want to be around, so people finally quit.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Just speaking personally, but a lot of the feelings of "burn out" I was experiencing since the start of the pandemic were actually not attributable to the work I was doing, but rather the bad habits I picked up during the first year or so of the pandemic.

Doom scrolling about news, a little too much time spent every day on social media (including hacker news), overloading myself with information and not really creating enough. It is especially easy to fall into these bad habits in a work from home environment where it is easy to get distracted if you don't have the discipline.

What worked for me is actually identifying the patterns of my behavior everyday, and cutting things out. No more phone time from 8am to 12pm. No more reading about news after 12pm. Even those two things cut out a lot of nonsense time out of my day and after just a week I felt re-energized and re-focused.

I wonder how much of the creeping burnout that seems to be affecting the workforce is a confluence of bad habits encroaching on actual productivity - social media addiction is a huge one, with people spending way too much time reading and interacting about people and news and events which have zero impact on them.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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post #6

Something that doesn't seem explored here is the effect of working on ineffective work. Everyone will encounter something like the following in their career 1. There is a problem that your customers and you face - but you are not allowed to solve it for "Reasons" 2. The product area will never work, but you must continue working on things that no one will ever use for "reasons". Ever write exhaustive test coverage fo…

David Graeber talks about this in his book 'bullshit jobs'. He also links the rise of bullshit jobs to the rise of burnouts and other mental issues.

What a great book rec. I wish more hacker news comments recommended less technical but still highly analytical books like this.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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post #77

Just speaking personally, but a lot of the feelings of "burn out" I was experiencing since the start of the pandemic were actually not attributable to the work I was doing, but rather the bad habits I picked up during the first year or so of the pandemic. Doom scrolling about news, a little too much time spent every day on social media (including hacker news), overloading myself with information and not really creati…

I wholeheartedly agree this is the main issue. Being inundated with information, checking the Coronavirus worldometer multiple times daily and constantly reading about the doom & gloom of our world made me feel terrible.

Cutting out the news did wonders for my mental health and wellbeing.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Has anyone pivoted out of tech completely? What was your experience like?

I'm in the middle of a pivot out, having recently quit what was my "dream job" at a top company while making the most money I've earned in my career.

I knew it was coming eventually after having burned out a couple times at prior jobs. In all cases it was caused by a mix of the factors the article mentions plus a lack of meaning and fulfillment as a software engineer that I've never been able to escape. This last role was sort of a last ditch effort to see if a renowned company, good salary, and good manager could make things better. It didn't, and in fact I think it was the cognitive dissonance of that situation that lead me to burnout harder and more quickly than I have in past positions.

I've had a few weeks to reflect and recharge and so far I have no regrets.

The next step is to try hard to find a better option in another industry or some form of self-employment, though it's required some mindfulness to be honest with myself about what I truly want and could be qualified for. I also know that I could easily just go right back into the fray; who could give up the money and stability? I don't take those for granted. It's certainly a far better option than failing my family or going into poverty. But I'm optimistic I can make it work.

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