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The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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From what I've seen, across the industry, the folks who are burnt out are almost entirely individual contributors. You rarely see burnout in management, and it's typically in the form of folks who want to go back to being ICs/tried management and hated it. I think companies really need to work on reducing or eliminating the amount of bullshit ICs have to deal with vs management (time tracking, status updates, on call…

This is probably just grass is greener stuff, but I've seen the opposite. Now, that said, this was post acquisition, but my anecdote is that in our case the ICs were shielded from all the office politics shenanigans and were able to just focus on delivering work. Meanwhile, those in management positions were repeatedly pulled into agenda-less meetings, were "voluntold" for tasks unrelated to their jobs, and were generally unhappy. Obviously it all depends on the culture within an organization. But in our case we worked really hard to shield the ICs from the BS, but those in management bore the brunt, and the burn out and resignations reflected that.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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From what I've seen, across the industry, the folks who are burnt out are almost entirely individual contributors. You rarely see burnout in management, and it's typically in the form of folks who want to go back to being ICs/tried management and hated it. I think companies really need to work on reducing or eliminating the amount of bullshit ICs have to deal with vs management (time tracking, status updates, on call…

This is probably just grass is greener stuff, but I've seen the opposite. Now, that said, this was post acquisition, but my anecdote is that in our case the ICs were shielded from all the office politics shenanigans and were able to just focus on delivering work. Meanwhile, those in management positions were repeatedly pulled into agenda-less meetings, were "voluntold" for tasks unrelated to their jobs, and were gene…

I think you have a different definition of bullshit than me. Sitting in a pointless meeting so I can daydream or work on something while half paying attention? That sounds like a vacation where I don't get bugged by drive bys. Voluntold work is the norm for ICs, my condolences that you have to deal with it. I think your list is a a best case scenario of the bullshit ICs might have to deal with, and it's a good example of my point: management doesn't have the same pain.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Things contributing to my own (severe) burnout:

1 - Lack of variety, leading to boredom. After decades in the industry, I'm super bored with the things I know, and not in the least bit interested in learning more technical minutia of whatever flavor... pretty much all of it feels the same. The things I'm still interested in (like Scheme) are pretty obscure, so I'm unlikely to ever get to work with them. I hate all the mainstream tech stacks, but that's where the overwhelming majority of work is.

2 - I don't care about what the company does. 99.9% of the time, the real goal is to make some extremely rich people even richer. Couldn't care less. I'm not sure that even if I worked for a non-profit doing work I thought was important that it would translate to my own job being something I wanted to do.

3 - Chronic understaffing, crazy time pressure, and lack of resources. This is endemic in the tech field. Count yourself incredibly lucky if you don't have to face this day in and day out for years on end. It's even worse when you know the company you're working for is making money hand over fist and they could easily afford to hire more people, treat them better, and get more resources, but you know they'd rather funnel that money in to the pockets of those at the top.

4 - Lies and corporate BS. From bullshit cheerleading and pep talks from upper management that a child would be stupid to believe, to time wasting, useless policies, to outright lying and two-facedness that's super common in the industry. Who wants to deal with this?

5 - Depression. This doesn't help.

The best job I ever had was working part time in a tiny company where it was just me and the owner. He was a super nice guy, we got along great and just did what needed to be done. No corporate BS, no policies, no lies, and back then I wasn't burnt out yet, so working on tech stuff still seemed interesting.

After burning out on tech I really should have switched to another career (completely outside of tech)... or even tried management, but I never did, and my skills have atrophied so I'm super rusty and out of it regarding the newer buzzword technologies.. though I'd like to think that I still have good troubleshooting skills and can learn anything.. if I cared.. but I don't.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Something that doesn't seem explored here is the effect of working on ineffective work. Everyone will encounter something like the following in their career 1. There is a problem that your customers and you face - but you are not allowed to solve it for "Reasons" 2. The product area will never work, but you must continue working on things that no one will ever use for "reasons". Ever write exhaustive test coverage fo…

100% agreed. I'm not sure how big a problem this is, but it's been huge for me personally.

I write software because I like solving problems for people. It's gratifying to build clever things, but for me it has to end in making the world better somehow. Even if it's just one person, which has happened when I'm building in-house tools.

But there's so much out there that isn't about actually getting things done. E.g., the project that is touted as using the hot technology (e.g., ML) because people want to be seen as on the leading edge; actual results would be a hindrance to bragging. Or the executive who wants to respond to public criticism and so launches an initiative that will show a lot of motion and be something they can point to, but will not actually make a difference. Or the big-talking boss who gets promoted based on the size of his project and how tough he looks, so he drastically overstaffs something, causes a lot of chaos, and then makes everybody work stupid hours in crunch mode to hit an entirely artificial deadline. And so on, and so on.

These sorts of bullshit projects are way harder on me than actual hard work, because I experience constant dissonance between my goals (make things! help people!) and the day-to-day of the project.

And I think it's even worse for others, because it's easy to learn the lesson that the important thing at work is just to shut up and play pretend with whatever the bosses want. That's a lesson I absolutely refuse to learn. But many apparently do, and that can ruin a person for their whole career.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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This index seems to indicate that people across all of tech have a good chance of suffering from burnout. We have a 42.1% chance of burning out apparently, which is pretty huge. It would be interesting to see the breakdown by age as well, as life stage changes as people get older and can affect their rate of burnout.

That means even if we jump jobs to get out of a toxic work environment, there's still a good possibility to get burned out at the new job. And with the rate of exhaustion being over 55% for both men and women, that means we have slightly less than a 50-50 chance of finding a good job that won't overwork us. And that assumes your work environment doesn't change (ie, your boss leaving, re-orgs, etc).

Maybe it's time we get together and just stop putting up with toxic environments, because it's pretty much prevalent. The only way to do that is to form solidarity with one another, and push back against the toxicity through a collective group.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Things contributing to my own (severe) burnout: 1 - Lack of variety, leading to boredom. After decades in the industry, I'm super bored with the things I know, and not in the least bit interested in learning more technical minutia of whatever flavor... pretty much all of it feels the same. The things I'm still interested in (like Scheme) are pretty obscure, so I'm unlikely to ever get to work with them. I hate all th…

The company BS is unbelievable. I would love to hear how the company justifies that BS. They never do and because of that, I have to add the fact that I don't understand why the BS exists. So it doubles the pain: it sounds BS and I can't explain what purpose it serves...

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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I get some pretty bad burnout when I don't get along well with my team and/or the workload feel too large. The second one is even fine for sometime if the team is understanding.

Mostly its interacting with people who are just unhelpful/unkind/unfriendly/combative that makes me think, "Why am I spending so much of my life doing this?" which tends to cause me to spiral a bit.

If anyone is reading this and thinks oh maybe I should be nicer to my teammates... You should try. Being a little kinder might make your life a lot easier because your team wont dislike interacting with you.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Things contributing to my own (severe) burnout: 1 - Lack of variety, leading to boredom. After decades in the industry, I'm super bored with the things I know, and not in the least bit interested in learning more technical minutia of whatever flavor... pretty much all of it feels the same. The things I'm still interested in (like Scheme) are pretty obscure, so I'm unlikely to ever get to work with them. I hate all th…

> I'm not sure that even if I worked for a non-profit doing work I thought was important that it would translate to my own job being something I wanted to do.

Hi! I've worked for a few non-profits over the years. They are no panacea! Many businesses at least have a clear success mode: do good things for people and they'll pay you so you can do more good things for them.

But the business model of many non-profits is something like, "Sell good feelings to rich people, and then use the surplus to Do Good." This is a much messier feedback loop, and it's very hard to build a precise enough agreement of what "Good" means to prioritize and focus. And big-dollar donations often come with strings attached, meaning it can end up feeling like the problems you get in early enterprise software companies, where the tail wags the dog.

All kinds of organization have problems with the sorts of people who really want to be in charge. It's true that non-profits have fewer very greedy people, but they have at least as many people who want to be famous. Or who enjoy exercising power in a hierarchy.

That said, I know people who have found the right circumstances and have had great jobs. And one of the benefits of every non-profit I've worked for is that the people are great. Smart, dedicated, caring, and mission driven. So although nobody should think of it as utopia, I'd encourage people to check it them out.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Things contributing to my own (severe) burnout: 1 - Lack of variety, leading to boredom. After decades in the industry, I'm super bored with the things I know, and not in the least bit interested in learning more technical minutia of whatever flavor... pretty much all of it feels the same. The things I'm still interested in (like Scheme) are pretty obscure, so I'm unlikely to ever get to work with them. I hate all th…

This list has everything I face as well. Even the best working job was with a tiny company which was my own and my partner. I see almost everyone is forced to lie in the corp world. Corp world like people to lie.

The thought of switching career came to me a few times after my startup but quickly died because those careers can't never meet the decent salary to support my life and my family, and I've been living quite frugal already, nowhere near luxurious.

Re: The state of burnout in tech, 2022 edition [pdf]

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Things contributing to my own (severe) burnout: 1 - Lack of variety, leading to boredom. After decades in the industry, I'm super bored with the things I know, and not in the least bit interested in learning more technical minutia of whatever flavor... pretty much all of it feels the same. The things I'm still interested in (like Scheme) are pretty obscure, so I'm unlikely to ever get to work with them. I hate all th…

> After burning out on tech I really should have switched to another career... or even tried management

Just a tip from someone who made that jump: If those five things you listed contributed to your burnout, trust me, moving into management won't help.

1. Management is the same damn slog day after day. You deal with people acting like children, senior management who lack any coherent vision and don't know what they're doing, colleagues who were Peter Principle'd into their roles, and on and on. It's unrelenting.

2. Being a manager is just doing work to make rich people richer, but with extra steps.

3. Imagine being a manager! You keep hearing you're understaffed, that there's enormous time pressure, that you lack resources, that your staff are frustrated, unmotivated, burned out. If you're a good manager you care and desperately want to help. But you can't do a god damned thing about it because the executives don't give a damn.

4. You're literally in the middle of this. As a middle manager you have the choice to parrot the upper management crap, or tell it like it is. Neither is great. And that's ignoring the politics, and the pointless policies, the endless process...

5. That's invariant.

The real issue is that a lot of companies are simply toxic places to work. The job doesn't change that. Whether you're an individual contributor on the ground or a manager trying to improve the lives of your staff, if the company sucks, it sucks for everyone.

The truth is: not all companies suck that badly. Or, at least, they all suck in different ways. As you yourself have realized, the trick is finding that place that fits for you.

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