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Re: Moot: "sterile Facebook comments over provocative YouTube comments?"

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The New York Times made a pretty good model. 1) Promote and recognize good comments 2) Remove offensive or non-constructive ones This form of hand curiation sets down rules and expectations which the community at large than reaches for. If you dont set down rules of course your discussion forums will disolve into petty nonsense. The loudest, dumbest voice always wins in a shouting match merely by employing a denial-o…

Unfortunately our editor's response to everything is "it's a staffing problem." Our newsroom, if you want to call it that, spends most of the day re-writing (fluffing) press releases to get a paper out the next day. Corporate has our system lock down, we don't have access to our database tables and responses to feature requests, like comment promotion, are usually..."We'll bring that up in a meeting." In my opinion p…

I keenly understand the situation you are in as a former journalist myself. The simple fact of the matter is that such a significant generational divide exists in the newsroom, coupled with an underlying hatred from the old-guard for how their profession has been forced to adapt, that I completely gave up any hope of change.

I was not going to change the editors mind who believed IT took care of itself and most of it was just 'magic' -- that outsourcing tech to a low-cost vendor who provided no follow up support or update would ultimately doom the product -- and that ultimately the product of 'News' was more about the medium of tech than the news itself.

If they can't read it, you aren't making money. I was tired of skeptical questions and blank stares from managing editors who laughed at the idea of 'reading news on your phone' and thought 'code monkeys' didn't really understand the news and should stay in the basement while the experienced journalists did the real work.

I've consulted National Geographic, CNN, the New York Times, and several others about their digital futures and I have never met clients that were so stubborn, confused, and self-desceptive in my life. The one that took the cake of course was National Geographic, who refused to believe that video would supplant a large portion of their photographic work in the coming years. They also stated that they did not believe people would want to consume 'low resolution' images on a screen compared to their quality printing process.

The NYT built my idea, which became TimesCast -- kudos for that. And CNN generally stays on top of most things from an IT perspective.

Re: Moot: "sterile Facebook comments over provocative YouTube comments?"

#42

I've actually found that the 'promoted' comments [Edit: which I assume are promoted by voting and algorithm.] on YouTube videos are generally either pretty entertaining or informative. I was surprised by this after consciously completely ignoring YT comments for a long time.

The promoted comments are usually worth reading. The first few times I saw them I made the mistake of trying to read the rest. They were still awful.

Adam Buxton and Bug (http://www.bugvideos.co.uk/) have a great thing where he reads YouTube videos. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx-WBaSNrTQ)

Re: Moot: "sterile Facebook comments over provocative YouTube comments?"

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately our editor's response to everything is "it's a staffing problem." Our newsroom, if you want to call it that, spends most of the day re-writing (fluffing) press releases to get a paper out the next day. Corporate has our system lock down, we don't have access to our database tables and responses to feature requests, like comment promotion, are usually..."We'll bring that up in a meeting." In my opinion p…

No, it's an architecting problem. You should be able to leverage trust and quality recognition within your own userbase. If you can't find trusted users to seed the comment moderation system, well, you've got other issues as well. But if the site's founders/leaders can start federating trust at least to the extent of promoting/muting content, then it most certainly isn't a staffing problem, beyond coding the necessar…

We have a report abuse button that is attached to each comment, all our users have to do is click it and it sends an email to the appropriate person for moderation. (This is rarely used unfortunately)

To be honest I don't agree with a lot of the decisions corporate makes in regards to our digital efforts. They are on the other side of the country and believe that if it works in their market it has to work in ours.

It constantly feels like we are playing catch-up to everyone else.

Re: Moot: "sterile Facebook comments over provocative YouTube comments?"

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I wish atroundtable used fragment identifiers so you could deeplink to comments. Or give each comment it's own standalone page as well, a la twitter.

we're on it! look for it on the next Roundtable (with Khoi Vinh, Garry Tan, etc). Any other features you would like to see?

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Re: Moot: "sterile Facebook comments over provocative YouTube comments?"

#45

I wish there were more proactive comments on newspaper websites. I think communities everywhere are missing out on a great opportunity to communicate, exchange ideas, and bring real change to real problems in their own towns. Most of the time newspaper comments (in my community) are about how illegal immigration is to blame for EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING. Commenters tend to rally behind the bully and pick on an…

Newspaper issue is interesting. One of the local newspapers had all sorts of vibrant debate, including a lot of discussion of which cops were corrupt, which businesses were cheating people, and which pastors were lurking at the man garden in the local park. This was intolerable to the highly connected newspaper owner, so they required all commenters be validated by phone before commenting and use their real name. Com…

In order to have more accountability you need to have less anonymity, and that is not something commenters on newspaper sites are willing to give up.

Re: Moot: "sterile Facebook comments over provocative YouTube comments?"

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post #24

I wish atroundtable used fragment identifiers so you could deeplink to comments. Or give each comment it's own standalone page as well, a la twitter.

we're on it! look for it on the next Roundtable (with Khoi Vinh, Garry Tan, etc). Any other features you would like to see?

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Re: Moot: "sterile Facebook comments over provocative YouTube comments?"

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately our editor's response to everything is "it's a staffing problem." Our newsroom, if you want to call it that, spends most of the day re-writing (fluffing) press releases to get a paper out the next day. Corporate has our system lock down, we don't have access to our database tables and responses to feature requests, like comment promotion, are usually..."We'll bring that up in a meeting." In my opinion p…

I keenly understand the situation you are in as a former journalist myself. The simple fact of the matter is that such a significant generational divide exists in the newsroom, coupled with an underlying hatred from the old-guard for how their profession has been forced to adapt, that I completely gave up any hope of change. I was not going to change the editors mind who believed IT took care of itself and most of it…

It is very frustrating to have to deal with these types of attitudes.

My supervisor was around when this paper got their website up and running (late 90's) and he remembers people around here saying that the internet was just a fad it was never going to catch on. Fast forward to today and most of them are scrambling trying to figure out what to do.

Re: Moot: "sterile Facebook comments over provocative YouTube comments?"

#49

I have never left a Facebook comment on a third party site. Partially this is due to inconvenience, (the web browser with my Facebook login credentials has always had its own VM, to prevent like button tracking) and partially because associating my real name and identity with a blog comment seems like using a cannon to kill a squirrel. If Samuel Bierwagen wants to say something about an issue, he'll write an essay ab…

If I have something to say I'll sign up for an account before using facebook to comment

I wonder if this more prevalent in hackerish audiences. Maybe the mainstream doesn't care, and would rather just make it easy.

Also, there's something to be said for the kind of people who can "get over the barrier" of taking 90 seconds to sign up. Making sign up too easy means dumber people get through?

Re: Moot: "sterile Facebook comments over provocative YouTube comments?"

#50

One of the best things I ever did was Adblock Youtube comments. www.youtube.com##DIV[id="comments-view"][class=" reactions-enabled"] www.youtube.com##DIV[id="comments-view"][class=" disallow-ratings reactions-enabled"]

You don't have to go that far, often times the comments can be helpful and insightful. I use Youtube Comment Snob[1] to weed out the most likely low-quality comments based on text patterns like lots of !!! and ??? in them, or lack of capitalization at the beginning of a sentence, excessive fucking profanity, COMMENTS IN ALL CAPS, and other customizables. Check it out, there exist addons for both Firefox and Chromium.

edit: I forgot to link the more general Comment Snob[2], also by the talented Chris Finke which is the same idea but for the general web as well as Youtube. Amongst the sites it features by default are HN and Reddit. It's really easy to write new site rules to add to it with the example he provides in the link. Only for Chromium though.

[1] http://www.chrisfinke.com/addons/youtube-comment-snob/

[2] http://www.chrisfinke.com/comment-snob/

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