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Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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People who don’t work remotely don’t work at the office either. They’re just gonna find other things to waste time on.

life since 2016 has been one shit show after another in America and going back to work as if nothing happened just seems stupid.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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Why do so many assume that there are only 3 options: - 100% remote. - 100% office. - Some rigid hybrid scheme of n days per week in the office every week where n = 3 +/-1. Why not "mainly remote but be in the office when it makes sense to be in the office"? This is how my team has been operating since last July - remote first but every 1-2 months we'll do a week onsite somewhere. Now we're getting pressure to start b…

There may be some highly specific scheme that could make hybrid work, but in every situation where I've encountered hybrid it's been riddled with problems:

- Decisions made in the office, remote employees input ignored

- Manager sees others in the office, remote employees ignored for promotions

- Remote employees given the green light to work remote, others who don't work remote resent the remote employee for having that privilege

- In-person workers dictate working schedules, remote person's preference for async is ignored, remote person has to work a set schedule based on arbitrary availability of in person workers

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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Despite not making any sense, cost of living adjustments based on your location seem to be the trend that we are heading toward. If you contribute the same work, it seems that it shouldn't matter where you are located, but companies are sociopathic by nature and will reduce costs anywhere they can get away with it. This opens the door to the next step of having salaries match the lowest common denominator - if you ca…

Have you heard of supply and demand? Suppliers have a price point at which their willing to supply a good. That price point is dependent on the input costs of producing the good. For knowledge workers, the input cost is your cost of living. It’s not so much that it “makes sense” to lower the salary of people in low cost of living areas, but it’s very likely the supply curve has shifted.

Paying employees more or less depending on where they live is an instance of price discrimination, in a sense. This isn’t necessarily good or bad, but it does mean that it’s not inevitable. Laws against certain forms of price discrimination already exist.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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A few months back I was talking to a manager at [huge established software company]. He was making the case that obviously anyone who has moved away from the Bay Area should have their pay cut. He personally has not been in the office for a single day since spring 2020, but since he telecommutes from Berkeley rather than Omaha, he sees no reason to cut his own pay. Later that same day I spoke to someone who's managin…

Location is one factor in cost of living, but there are a lot of others too: the type of car you drive (if you drive a car), the quality of food you buy/coffee you drink/restaurants you frequent, the number of kids you have, the schools they go to, etc. Should companies adjust compensation according to these variables too, or just city?

Why should cost of living be a factor in pay determination?

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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A few months back I was talking to a manager at [huge established software company]. He was making the case that obviously anyone who has moved away from the Bay Area should have their pay cut. He personally has not been in the office for a single day since spring 2020, but since he telecommutes from Berkeley rather than Omaha, he sees no reason to cut his own pay. Later that same day I spoke to someone who's managin…

Both engineers and managers at big tech companies can get by working 2 hours a day. And remote vs on-site doesn't affect that. This has been true since well before WFH. As for the location-based pay part, I bet none of the people who were furious about getting "adjusted" after moving out of the Bay Area ever complained about their colleagues in Bangalore working the same amount as them and making 1/5 as much.

> As for the location-based pay part, I bet none of the people who were furious about getting "adjusted" after moving out of the Bay Area ever complained about their colleagues in Bangalore working the same amount as them and making 1/5 as much.

That's not just either, even if people didn't complain about it. Sometimes it takes a bad thing happening to someone for them to realize injustice that existed before. I would hope anyone against location-based paycuts within the US is also now against international location-based paycuts.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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I have been fully remote my entire career (several decades), in fact in 30+ years have never been on site anywhere for more than 2 weeks total. Wouldn't have it any other way. But as a counter-point, seeing a whole bunch of people who were never remote before, how little work they are actually doing, it is no surprise to me that a lot of employers are going to start forcing - to the extent possible - employees back i…

> disappear for days at a time, miss meetings for weeks at a time

How is this not an immediately fireable offense? At least at the point of reestablishing contact where a doctor’s note or equivalent excuse can’t be furnished…

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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What do you mean ?

$GOOG stock has pretty much doubled since the beginning of the pandemic, meaning the company has been having absolutely no trouble whatsoever doing its job with a fully remote workforce for 2 years now. They don't "need" employees to come back to the office.

Using the stock price of a technology company to judge the productivity of it's workers? Surely that's a component of stock price, but man this seems like a huge leap to make such a claim

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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post #71

A few months back I was talking to a manager at [huge established software company]. He was making the case that obviously anyone who has moved away from the Bay Area should have their pay cut. He personally has not been in the office for a single day since spring 2020, but since he telecommutes from Berkeley rather than Omaha, he sees no reason to cut his own pay. Later that same day I spoke to someone who's managin…

Both engineers and managers at big tech companies can get by working 2 hours a day. And remote vs on-site doesn't affect that. This has been true since well before WFH. As for the location-based pay part, I bet none of the people who were furious about getting "adjusted" after moving out of the Bay Area ever complained about their colleagues in Bangalore working the same amount as them and making 1/5 as much.

At my first fulltime job my boss and a colleague constantly made jokes that I work too much. Really depends on the company but if it's a corporate it's kind of normal and you might not get any upside unless you work significantly more than on the contract

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Location is one factor in cost of living, but there are a lot of others too: the type of car you drive (if you drive a car), the quality of food you buy/coffee you drink/restaurants you frequent, the number of kids you have, the schools they go to, etc. Should companies adjust compensation according to these variables too, or just city?

No because everything you listed is a personal choice.

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Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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post #71

A few months back I was talking to a manager at [huge established software company]. He was making the case that obviously anyone who has moved away from the Bay Area should have their pay cut. He personally has not been in the office for a single day since spring 2020, but since he telecommutes from Berkeley rather than Omaha, he sees no reason to cut his own pay. Later that same day I spoke to someone who's managin…

Prices for a lot of things are regional dependent though, not just salaries. Produce and dinners out costs more in the bay area than Omaha too. Same for salaries in Vietnam vs Omaha. I get that in a sense it doesn't seem fair for the same work and person to get paid differently solely based on where they live, but the market and costs are different too so if you pay everyone the same that also has issues. Besides, if everyone is paid the same why would it be valley salaries not Omaha salaries for everyone?
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