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Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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does going remote impact one's salary?

Depends. Pay is based on location and is the same for in-office at location X or fully remote at location X. Relocating could impact pay up or down. https://www.vox.com/recode/22691275/googles-remote-work-home...

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Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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That's good to be back in the office. For me it's only a week to start feeling bad. Loneliness, the same walls I live with family, no colleagues around to talk to. That's not for me. Sometimes I prefer to work from home, because I need to run some errands, from home I have better control. Everybody should have an option, or possibility to work from home some days in a week. But nothing replace morning coffee in the k…

I look forward to your post April 4 rant on traffic.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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A few months back I was talking to a manager at [huge established software company]. He was making the case that obviously anyone who has moved away from the Bay Area should have their pay cut. He personally has not been in the office for a single day since spring 2020, but since he telecommutes from Berkeley rather than Omaha, he sees no reason to cut his own pay. Later that same day I spoke to someone who's managin…

Despite not making any sense, cost of living adjustments based on your location seem to be the trend that we are heading toward. If you contribute the same work, it seems that it shouldn't matter where you are located, but companies are sociopathic by nature and will reduce costs anywhere they can get away with it. This opens the door to the next step of having salaries match the lowest common denominator - if you ca…

I find it interesting how well this tracks: From each according to [their] ability, to each according to [their] needs.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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A few months back I was talking to a manager at [huge established software company]. He was making the case that obviously anyone who has moved away from the Bay Area should have their pay cut. He personally has not been in the office for a single day since spring 2020, but since he telecommutes from Berkeley rather than Omaha, he sees no reason to cut his own pay. Later that same day I spoke to someone who's managin…

Engineers have targets to meet, but management still has to trust estimates and scopes provided by engineers.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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For whatever it's worth, even with the salary cut remote employees are facing, the paybands for FAANG employees in (relatively) affordable cities are still top-of-market.

For example, remote GOOG employees in Atlanta take a 10-20% salary cut compared to the Bay Area salaries. But the net takehome is still higher (on average) than the takehome for the in-office Bay Area engineers. And the overall compensation is better than >80% of existing Atlanta metro SWE compensation.

That's part of the reason why there has been such a huge influx of people to metros like Atlanta, Charlotte, Detroit, etc.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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I think anyone who's claiming that remote work has been "proven" to be better or worse is wrong. There are some studies but they use estimations and proxies, carrying the same flaws as doing performance reviews based on lines of code. We've proven that the big tech companies can go fully remote and not completely crash and burn, that's about it. Some people love the lack of commute and less semi-forced hanging out, s…

Have you ever walked between buildings to catch a meeting? I remember this from my Google days and I hated it. Ironically at some point they were cool with video calling in from another building!!

Yes, if I'm not colocated with my team then most of the advantages go away.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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A few months back I was talking to a manager at [huge established software company]. He was making the case that obviously anyone who has moved away from the Bay Area should have their pay cut. He personally has not been in the office for a single day since spring 2020, but since he telecommutes from Berkeley rather than Omaha, he sees no reason to cut his own pay. Later that same day I spoke to someone who's managin…

Despite not making any sense, cost of living adjustments based on your location seem to be the trend that we are heading toward. If you contribute the same work, it seems that it shouldn't matter where you are located, but companies are sociopathic by nature and will reduce costs anywhere they can get away with it. This opens the door to the next step of having salaries match the lowest common denominator - if you ca…

I don't think that's guaranteed. I work remotely and I just exclude companies that do cost-of-living adjustments. Those companies might end up paying less, but they also have fewer applicants to choose from. You tend to get what you pay for in life. Hiring is really difficult right now, it's not wise to make it more difficult by driving away applicants.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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I work for a large company, and my team has changed so much since before covid. Before Covid: 5 people in the same New York office, 1 remote in Europe Today: 2 in New York, 2 in California, 1 in Ohio, 1 in Europe There is no single office to return to. Though we could meet up with other coworkers on different teams and projects. But in essence we've become a remote team. Has anyone else's teams become geographically…

Is that turnover or did people move to a better-for-them location and they're waiting to see if anyone calls their bluff?

I recall someone pointing out that a Sun Microsystems office in Colorado existed because someone you might call a Staff or Principal Engineer today said, "I'm moving to Colorado. If you want to open an office there I'll keep working for you, but I'm moving to Colorado".

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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I've been working remotely since I graduated college in 2013. It's a competitive advantage that Silicon Valley likes to ignore. If I'm another FAANG I'm frothing at the mouth now. I can poach all of these Google workers who have no interest in archaic working conditions.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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A few months back I was talking to a manager at [huge established software company]. He was making the case that obviously anyone who has moved away from the Bay Area should have their pay cut. He personally has not been in the office for a single day since spring 2020, but since he telecommutes from Berkeley rather than Omaha, he sees no reason to cut his own pay. Later that same day I spoke to someone who's managin…

Despite not making any sense, cost of living adjustments based on your location seem to be the trend that we are heading toward. If you contribute the same work, it seems that it shouldn't matter where you are located, but companies are sociopathic by nature and will reduce costs anywhere they can get away with it. This opens the door to the next step of having salaries match the lowest common denominator - if you ca…

Have you heard of supply and demand? Suppliers have a price point at which their willing to supply a good. That price point is dependent on the input costs of producing the good. For knowledge workers, the input cost is your cost of living. It’s not so much that it “makes sense” to lower the salary of people in low cost of living areas, but it’s very likely the supply curve has shifted.
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