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Ask HN: Do you think nuclear armageddon is plausible?

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Re: Ask HN: Do you think nuclear armageddon is plausible?

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Nuclear war is survivable for the elite in their underground bunkers, and they're the ones who get to decide if it happens. People live in Hiroshima now, its not like everything turns into Chernobyl. If you survive the initial blast you have to stay inside for a couple of weeks until the radiation deteriorates. But then you'll probably starve unless you're surrounded by preppers like in Utah. I think its going to hap…

The scale of modern nuclear weapons make Hiroshima look like a toy.

Every potential position of a nuclear second strike would be hit with a warhead.

That's huge swaths of land converted to nothing for 2-5km in every direction.

Humans might survive, but not in places with nuclear weapons.

South America and Africa looking pretty safe right now.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think nuclear armageddon is plausible?

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Bear in mind that approximately 200 nuclear bombs have been exploded within the earths atmosphere already.

Ah yes, all of those (aside from two) bombs exploding in the middle of nowhere make me feel so much better about the possibility of one or more exploding over the big city 10 miles away from me.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think nuclear armageddon is plausible?

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I think it makes more sense to break this question down into a few specific ones:

1. How likely is it that Putin will want to use nuclear weapons?

- I don't think he is that mad, but who knows? If the pressure inside Russia starts to rise, protests expand and a win in Ukraine starts to get more and more unlikely.. Cornered animals start to lash out. If he thinks it's his last chance to save himself or his legacy, he may go that far. Do I think he would attack a NATO country? No. But maybe he would attack Ukraine and hope that would somehow save him.

2. How likely is it, that his orders will be followed?

- He seems to have surrounded himself with yes-man, so I don't think some higher up would stop him. But just like with Stanislav Petrov it's often people down the line who, when faced with the actual consequences of their actions, choose to do the right thing.

3. How likely is it, that they will hit/explode?

- I have no sources, and it's just a personal feeling: I think the U.S. and probably even China have technologies to shoot down any Russian nuclear missile attacks. Looking at some UFO videos, which have popped up, and my belief that those aren't alien but advanced military aircraft, I think this would be a good bet to make. Whether they would use it to save Ukraine and show their (technological) hand is another question. But I would say the chance of a Russian nuclear missile hitting a NATO country and exploding is pretty low.

4. How likely is it, that it will trigger a response?

- If it explodes in Ukraine, who knows. The war in Ukraine would be over at that point, I think it would more likely trigger an (extreme) non-nuclear response, which would result in Russia being made unable to further attack and Putin and his inner-circle being obliterated. If they attack a NATO country, all bets are off.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think nuclear armageddon is plausible?

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Here's my fear, which I really really hope someone can allay. I just don't see an "off ramp" for Putin right now. The cost he's incurred is HUGE and there's really no way out of this for him. He's already threatened a nuclear response to any country that opposes his attempt, in so many words. I'm afraid he will take advantage of one of his new hyper-glide entry nukes. My fear is not that he will launch ALL nukes, jus…

> The rationale (if you can call it that) is that no country would want to continue with sanctions against Russia after that point, for fear of the same happening to them.

I see the complete opposite.

Broad sanctions to Russia (think complete embargo like Cuba) and any country not enforcing said embargo. Immediate seizure of any Russian or Russian-aligned assets owned in the west by anyone with allegiance to such. Passports becoming instantly worthless.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think nuclear armageddon is plausible?

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Here's my fear, which I really really hope someone can allay. I just don't see an "off ramp" for Putin right now. The cost he's incurred is HUGE and there's really no way out of this for him. He's already threatened a nuclear response to any country that opposes his attempt, in so many words. I'm afraid he will take advantage of one of his new hyper-glide entry nukes. My fear is not that he will launch ALL nukes, jus…

Why worry about it? It either won't happen, in which case you worried for nothing, or it will, and it won't be your problem anymore.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think nuclear armageddon is plausible?

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I think it's more plausible that Russia would use mini-nukes on certain strategic targets. It would be to signal that they're willing to go all the way, but without actually committing suicide by nuking western countries. The nuclear super-powers are in a situation where they have enough nukes to obliterate each other - many, many times over. But obviously no-one wants to take that chance - even with all the modern a…

> I think it's more plausible that Russia would use mini-nukes on certain strategic targets.

Yep. Plus a noisy, demonstrative test explosion somewhere in the North Sea to make a point.

Strong chance of both, I think. Particularly what you suggest.

At this point it's insane to think otherwise, because he's already telegraphing that he'll use battlefield nukes if pushed. Everything else of any significance that he's telegraphed so far, he's done.

He's a psychopath, telling us in advance, to prolong his enjoyment and make us responsible for what he does.

And he's losing in every significant way; he won't be able to cope with that.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think nuclear armageddon is plausible?

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post #35

Nuclear war is survivable for the elite in their underground bunkers, and they're the ones who get to decide if it happens. People live in Hiroshima now, its not like everything turns into Chernobyl. If you survive the initial blast you have to stay inside for a couple of weeks until the radiation deteriorates. But then you'll probably starve unless you're surrounded by preppers like in Utah. I think its going to hap…

Hiroshima was a fart compared to the average yield of a warhead. Hiroshima was hit by a 13kT TNT equivalent. The average modern warhead is about 300-500kT -- dialble, but assume the max. if it's all in. (That doesn't change that Hiroshima was a tradegy.) A rocket with multiple warheads often enough carries 5*1MT -- all major cities would be rubble.

Ca. 100 modern warheads mean a multi year nuclear winter -- more will be fired, right know more than 1000 active on either side. Even with a small scale catastrophe: if you don't have enough food in your basement, prep. for cannibalism. The civilization would be horrible.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think nuclear armageddon is plausible?

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post #36

Here's my fear, which I really really hope someone can allay. I just don't see an "off ramp" for Putin right now. The cost he's incurred is HUGE and there's really no way out of this for him. He's already threatened a nuclear response to any country that opposes his attempt, in so many words. I'm afraid he will take advantage of one of his new hyper-glide entry nukes. My fear is not that he will launch ALL nukes, jus…

The real fear for you should be the one where Putin’s regime is toppled, and Russia disintegrates into a series of mini states, all of them with nuclear capabilities.

That's a good point. I hope that Russia doesn't fall into civil war and instead just gets a new government and new leader.
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