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Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

#41
I pretty much expect this would be Oracle's response, they tend not to let others have the last word on such things.

It is pretty interesting to me that during the SPARC SuperCluster event, Ellison did not mention HP, but instead focussed heavily on IBM's server.

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

#42

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I thought the fact the meeting took place on April 1st was entertaining. Maybe Hurd missed the joke?

Yes. It does give Autonomy an easy out: "Sure Oracle, we did pitch selling ourselves to you - on the morning of April 1st! Didn't you get the joke?!?! Joke aside, the meeting was indeed as we described in our first response." Either that, or the two companies are actually having a joke at our (tech industry watchers) expense.

If Autonomy's CEO said it was an April Fools joke, then HP and himself would not look very good in front of Wall Street or stock holders. There might actually be SEC complications also.

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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Do you really think Larry cares about what some uppity yankee hipster thinks about his company? These days, a lot (most?) of Oracle software is built in India, Eastern Europe, etc. Developers in those countries don't care about this sort of things, they care about the cold hard cash Oracle have in their coffers, which they get by selling products over geeks' heads (i.e. to their bosses' boss). Wage inflation in devel…

yankee?

It's slang for a person from the US. Wikipedia has a page on it if you're interested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

#44

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Yes. It does give Autonomy an easy out: "Sure Oracle, we did pitch selling ourselves to you - on the morning of April 1st! Didn't you get the joke?!?! Joke aside, the meeting was indeed as we described in our first response." Either that, or the two companies are actually having a joke at our (tech industry watchers) expense.

If Autonomy's CEO said it was an April Fools joke, then HP and himself would not look very good in front of Wall Street or stock holders. There might actually be SEC complications also.

Only if they didn't reveal that it was a joke at the end of the meeting...

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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yankee?

Yes, as a Brit I was quite surprised about that ;-) As for the other side, there's not just the issue of who builds for them but who builds with them. If the industry perception of Oracle becomes establised that they're awkward, litigious and have an attitude problem, who's going to buy the licenses and build products against their platform?

[ I'm sure in Larry's eyes "uppity yankee hipsters" and "uppity brit hipsters" are equivalent ;) ]

I don't think they have a reputation for being awkward with their own customers/partners/etc; they're unashamedly merciless with competitors, and this is well known. In the enterprise sector the two categories often overlap, but then again in those circles being a shark is actually considered a good thing anyway.

At the moment their target is squarely HP, like SAP before them, and this is what it means. It's actually mildly amusing, if you've followed the whole saga with Apotheker living on a plane etc.

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

#47

I forget where, but I once read an article suggesting that one of the big problems Microsoft has faced in the past 10 years is that, after the DoJ suit and the ruling of it as an abusive monopoly by Judge Jackson, they missed out on a lot of good new developers simply because they didn't want to work for that sort of company. I don't think my opinions of Larry Ellison had been high for some time, but recent actions a…

While I agree with your general assessment I disagree with your conclusion. See, Oracle is not (and never was) a technology company. They are a huge marketing and sales organisation that happens to dabble in technology products. The carnage of Sun top engineers after the takeover should tell us something. That said, I think it's a dumb, childish and immature move. 2 Minutes of LOL and gufaw! As a believer in kharma (…

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Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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New software license sales and renewals are both down year-over-year as a percentage of overall sales. It might just be a blip, but I read it as a weakness in their core business. I think the size of the enterprise segment is shrinking - as Andreesen pointed out recently, it was pretty common ten years ago for startups to sink tons of cash into Oracle licenses. Nowadays, it doesn't happen at all. Internet-scale is no…

Don't be surprised we see Andreesen gladly selling his companies should Oracle come knocking with a few hundred million or billion.

You can not like Oracle and still like money...

Re: Oracle Calls Out Autonomy CEO

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This is incredibly juvenile and unprofessional. Start acting like grownups.

Ellison knows it's juvenile and unprofessional and does not care. That is his schtick.

Yes, he is known for this kind of thing. Works for him apparently and has been for many years. It's not like he is able to 'fail' in a lot of senses of the word anymore; he is rich beyond believe, he has great business sense, he is a winner on a number of levels. Why would he care about anything, especially anything said in the tech community?
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