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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by env123 »

dncornholio wrote: post #686
eftychis wrote: post #571

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Georgia and Ukraine are tightly connected in this through the same precursor events. The "West" is simply deaf. Multiple analysts had brought these concerns since before Crimea. (Disclaimer I am from the West -- trying to be objective here and focusing on the non-NATO side.) The diplomatic relationships since Russia Federation's birth have been problematic and idiosyncratic. Russian people wanted recognition of their…

If you look at the globe, could you tell west from east? There is no East or West, these things are made up. It's all imaginary. Each country is free to believe what they believe, no matter if it's in the so called East or West. Don't try to look it from a particular 'side'. Look at it how YOU see it. Make you own judgements. Would you think Russia and the rest of Europe be a good match? How many values do they share…

I'm gonna point out though, that Ukraine has far more shared values with Russia than the west. Ukraine aspires to be under the sphere of influence of the west than Russia for economic reasons. This conflict is a bit like the Northern Ireland troubles, except the difference was that mainland Europe could do was to watch at the time

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by pydry »

dsomers wrote: post #614
Hard_Space wrote: post #519

It's a bit alarming that some HN posters are saying that Ukraine never applied to join NATO. That they did is the central seed of the John Mearsheimer lecture 'Why is Ukraine the West's Fault?' [1], which got about another 2m views in the last 48 hours. Mearsheimer provides a direct quote demonstrating NATO's resolve to eventually incorporate Ukraine, which was pledged at the Bucharest 2008 summit. Bush was also push…

I know you’re going to disagree with this using some silly rationalization, I won’t respond to after this because it fundamentally sounds like you don’t believe is Ukraine’s right to self determination and you think that they should be bound by deals the US or Russia have made on its behalf in the past which Ukraine had no say in. Here it is, NATO is fundamentally a defensive organization, and Ukraine is a democratic…

>Here it is, NATO is fundamentally a defensive organization

"We came. We saw. He died."

This was the victory speech at the end of a NATO led incursion that destroyed Libya, turning it into a failed state. It's now on its second civil war.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by fulvioterzapi »

CRConrad wrote: post #972
fulvioterzapi wrote: post #578

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This doesn’t answer my question: how is every Russian passport holder responsible for this conflict? Responsibility is a very precisely defined concept: how are they all responsible?

> how is every Russian passport holder responsible for this conflict? By not having removed Putler from power.

So, every Russian citizen is responsible of that? Are they also responsible of not having solved world hunger or of not having cured cancer yet?

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by nathias »

CRConrad wrote: post #970
nathias wrote: post #910

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but if you cause pain to people, aren't you the dipshit?

Not if that people have accepted and are condoning a dictator that is causing even more pain (including to that people themselves); then they are the ultimate dipshits.

what about everyone else?

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by 9214 »

Ancapistani wrote: post #918
9214 wrote: post #577

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Thanks you, but I'm way past this — mostly because I reevaluated my stance towards academia and have a family to support here. To clarify: I contacted one of the professors directly, whom I visited, who was aware of my background (my employee at the time introduced us and wrote an informal letter of recommendation), and who collaborated on a startup project I mentioned.

> and have a family to support here. Not to sound like an ass, but if that's your limiting factor and you're making anywhere near the salary you listed as average, don't worry about it. If you can figure out a way to get yourself to a better position, I'll figure out a way to get you 400 USD / year.

Thank you for the offer, but, in all honesty, you should rather donate your money to Ukrainian support organizations. I'm already privileged enough to work remotely from home and earn a decent salary.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by 9214 »

lr1970 wrote: post #915
jacquesm wrote: post #859

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Thank you for this post. Tough times. Let's hope someone higher up grows a pair and does something about it, because otherwise we will sleepwalk straight into something much, much worse. FWIW: about those 40 year olds with families that can't do anything: they can, it's just that the perceived price is too high. But think about it from another perspective: how are you going to explain to your kids that you stood by a…

> 2. The majority of Russians are in their 40-ies, have families, have government jobs, and won't risk losing the only source of income they have by opposing said government. I would disagree. I vividly remember August 1991 coup attempt in USSR against Gorbachev when ordinary people surrounded the "White House" (governmental building of Russian Federation) while a tank battalion surrounded the people. There were quit…

Thanks for giving me a perspective as a younger generation! I wasn't even born at the time, and obviously see our daily reality differently. OTOH, I think what you just described falls into p. 1 and 4.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by dsomers »

pydry wrote: post #982
dsomers wrote: post #614

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I know you’re going to disagree with this using some silly rationalization, I won’t respond to after this because it fundamentally sounds like you don’t believe is Ukraine’s right to self determination and you think that they should be bound by deals the US or Russia have made on its behalf in the past which Ukraine had no say in. Here it is, NATO is fundamentally a defensive organization, and Ukraine is a democratic…

>Here it is, NATO is fundamentally a defensive organization "We came. We saw. He died." This was the victory speech at the end of a NATO led incursion that destroyed Libya, turning it into a failed state. It's now on its second civil war.

> destroyed Libya

I guess you seem to forget the civil war that was happening before NATO got there. The one the was so atrocious that not even China or Russia vetoed it when the proposal of interfering was voted on at the UN.

This is not morally equivalent to what is being done to Ukraine, not even close. There is criticism to be put on the mission in Libya, but it should be that NATO didn’t stay long enough to stabilize the country and support peaceful nation building.

Or maybe you think war crimes are just fine and no one should ever try to do anything about them.

I’d like to see you defend that position to people that survived nazi concentration camps. Or a Rwandan who saw their family butchered over arbitrary tribalism.

You’re a cowered.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by pydry »

dsomers wrote: post #987
pydry wrote: post #982

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>Here it is, NATO is fundamentally a defensive organization "We came. We saw. He died." This was the victory speech at the end of a NATO led incursion that destroyed Libya, turning it into a failed state. It's now on its second civil war.

> destroyed Libya I guess you seem to forget the civil war that was happening before NATO got there. The one the was so atrocious that not even China or Russia vetoed it when the proposal of interfering was voted on at the UN. This is not morally equivalent to what is being done to Ukraine, not even close. There is criticism to be put on the mission in Libya, but it should be that NATO didn’t stay long enough to stab…

I never said it was morally equivalent. However, it makes NATO an offensive organization.

It makes NATO a threat to Russia.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by throwaway6547f »

anonymousDan wrote: post #980
jacquesm wrote: post #730

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You can get to the border, but it will be hard to impossible to cross it legally right now.

Are you living in Russia by any chance? What is the situation there like for westerners at the moment if so (e.g. in St Petersburg)? My brother still wants to go as he has been planning it for ages (he is learning Russian). I am quite concerned for his safety for obvious reasons but he is too stubborn to listen.

I’m living in Russia. If no one from outside will use nukes, then he will be fine. Everything operates normal, people doing everyday work and relax at the evening. You won’t see much difference from any EU capital in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by aa-jv »

randomsearch wrote: post #923
aa-jv wrote: post #449

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Yemen?

I didn’t cover Yemen, because I am not as familiar with the details of the conflict, and from what I do know it seems to be a very complex situation involving many actors.

It is literally genocide, being enacted by a fascist totalitarian dictatorship, fully supported by the Western military industrial complex and its host nations.

You really should educated yourself about Yemen. It is the worst war-caused humanitarian crisis going on in the world today. Worse than what is happening to the people of Ukraine, by far.

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