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Re: Ask HN: Can you help me remove the marks for the airstrikes from Google Maps?

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Post by wzyoi »

playpause wrote: post #10

I don’t know if this is true. But to everyone dismissing the idea that a military would ever use Google Maps to co-ordinate, you may have missed some news stories about what a shitshow the first few days of the Russian invasion has been. Major breakdown of their digital systems and lots of improvisation.

While I don't have more information and sources apart from an insta story from a smart girl from Dnipro, I don't see the appearance of 10 closed farms in the industrial city beliavable.

I requested more info, but she is likely sleeping.

Re: Ask HN: Can you help me remove the marks for the airstrikes from Google Maps?

#102

Post by rkangel »

rocqua wrote: post #83
NicoJuicy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here why they are using civilian walkie talkies: https://twitter.com/sbreakintl/status/1498619303717142529?t=...

If those comms are cleartext, that also means its possible to start sending disinformation. Start talking about hold-ups at cross-roads that are clear. Tell them about shortcuts that actually lead through marshes. Tell them "the attack we discussed earlier will actually happen 43 minutes earlier". Tell them, "hey we have run out of food here". Tell them, I heard that 10 miles back they are serving hot food, damn I wi…

> If those comms are cleartext, that also means its possible to start sending disinformation.

This is a classic confusion of authentication and encryption. We can hear what they're saying (which is useful), but that doesn't mean we can pretend to be them.

Re: Ask HN: Can you help me remove the marks for the airstrikes from Google Maps?

#103

Post by trhway »

kmlx wrote: post #91
playpause wrote: post #10

I don’t know if this is true. But to everyone dismissing the idea that a military would ever use Google Maps to co-ordinate, you may have missed some news stories about what a shitshow the first few days of the Russian invasion has been. Major breakdown of their digital systems and lots of improvisation.

> what a shitshow the first few days of the Russian invasion has been. Major breakdown of their digital systems and lots of improvisation. can we corroborate this with chinese and/or non-western media? it’s hard for me to believe anything at all during a war.

Western media this time is pretty much on point. It doesn't mean that the media has become better. It is just that their standard narrative of bad Russia has this time really matched and even got exceeded by the reality as Russia is actually waging criminally atrocious and completely unprovoked and unjustified war while the Ukrainians are really fighting it tooth and nail. The Ukrainians' current most important victory is the failure of the Russian Blitzkrieg. While Russians are pressing and bringing a lot of hardware it is very clear that they don't get even one tenth of the expected bang for the buck while Ukrainians' resistance is growing.

For people with Ukrainian and/or Russian language the raw sources like Telegram work nice. I initially used the sources very actively to cross-reference Ukrainian TV, and it was checking fine for me, so i mostly settled on the Ukrainian TV. Russian TV is even not in the ballpark of the truth, it is even not on the same planet.

Re: Ask HN: Can you help me remove the marks for the airstrikes from Google Maps?

#104

Post by joeman1000 »

kmlx wrote: post #91
playpause wrote: post #10

I don’t know if this is true. But to everyone dismissing the idea that a military would ever use Google Maps to co-ordinate, you may have missed some news stories about what a shitshow the first few days of the Russian invasion has been. Major breakdown of their digital systems and lots of improvisation.

> what a shitshow the first few days of the Russian invasion has been. Major breakdown of their digital systems and lots of improvisation. can we corroborate this with chinese and/or non-western media? it’s hard for me to believe anything at all during a war.

Chinese? For real? Why the fuck would they be impartial?

Re: Ask HN: Can you help me remove the marks for the airstrikes from Google Maps?

#105

Post by user-the-name »

kmlx wrote: post #91
playpause wrote: post #10

I don’t know if this is true. But to everyone dismissing the idea that a military would ever use Google Maps to co-ordinate, you may have missed some news stories about what a shitshow the first few days of the Russian invasion has been. Major breakdown of their digital systems and lots of improvisation.

> what a shitshow the first few days of the Russian invasion has been. Major breakdown of their digital systems and lots of improvisation. can we corroborate this with chinese and/or non-western media? it’s hard for me to believe anything at all during a war.

China is a close ally of Russia and does not have much media freedom.

I do not know why you think it would be worth listening to anything they claim.

Re: Ask HN: Can you help me remove the marks for the airstrikes from Google Maps?

#106

Post by hnlmorg »

d82nsjk9 wrote: post #93
dboreham wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also packet switched networking was invented to tolerate enemy bombing.

Makes sense, but source?

You're being downvoted for a fair question. I wouldn't exactly cite this as a source to the GP's claim but it does still answer your question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_switching#History

Re: Ask HN: Can you help me remove the marks for the airstrikes from Google Maps?

#107

Post by DyslexicAtheist »

kmlx wrote: post #91
playpause wrote: post #10

I don’t know if this is true. But to everyone dismissing the idea that a military would ever use Google Maps to co-ordinate, you may have missed some news stories about what a shitshow the first few days of the Russian invasion has been. Major breakdown of their digital systems and lots of improvisation.

> what a shitshow the first few days of the Russian invasion has been. Major breakdown of their digital systems and lots of improvisation. can we corroborate this with chinese and/or non-western media? it’s hard for me to believe anything at all during a war.

it's a fact that Russia uses COTS equipment for comms. Nothing to corroborate when this info is all over and from different independent sources.

edit: toned down the rantiness & add sources:

https://twitter.com/mil_in_ua/status/1497961913292001283

https://twitter.com/sbreakintl/status/1498619303717142529

Re: Ask HN: Can you help me remove the marks for the airstrikes from Google Maps?

#108

Post by kmlx »

joeman1000 wrote: post #104
kmlx wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what a shitshow the first few days of the Russian invasion has been. Major breakdown of their digital systems and lots of improvisation. can we corroborate this with chinese and/or non-western media? it’s hard for me to believe anything at all during a war.

Chinese? For real? Why the fuck would they be impartial?

who said anything about impartial?

Re: Ask HN: Can you help me remove the marks for the airstrikes from Google Maps?

#109

Post by kmlx »

user-the-name wrote: post #105
kmlx wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what a shitshow the first few days of the Russian invasion has been. Major breakdown of their digital systems and lots of improvisation. can we corroborate this with chinese and/or non-western media? it’s hard for me to believe anything at all during a war.

China is a close ally of Russia and does not have much media freedom. I do not know why you think it would be worth listening to anything they claim.

african media then? or maybe middle east?

Re: Ask HN: Can you help me remove the marks for the airstrikes from Google Maps?

#110

Post by zihotki »

tempestn wrote: post #4

Why would Russia mark airstrikes with some kind of obfuscated Google Maps entries? I hope your hometown stays safe, but I can't see how this makes sense.

There is a saying in Russia, at war all measures and ways are good (на войне все средства хороши). Whatever can be used will be used either due to convenience, due to malice, or due to any other reason.
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