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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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I have a different message: Go on the street and take control of your country, before you turn into another North Korea. Ukrainians were able to overthrow their government, and so can you.

Are you referring to Viktor Yanukovych in 2014? Honestly, as far as I know, he was democratically elected. Was that not the case?

I know of a guy who got democratically elected in Germany a while ago, whom the Germans would have done well to get rid of in a bloody revolution.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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The reason Russia has elevated tyrants to power for centuries is deep-rooted in Russian soul to the point where it's not even a problem. It's something that is inexplicably difficult to understand unless you actually experience the culture for a good portion of your life. There is a lot of literature out there about the "Russian Soul" and I really recommend reading it to understand how this happens. In my opinion it'…

> The reason Russia has elevated tyrants to power for centuries is deep-rooted in Russian soul to the point where it's not even a problem.

Not for Russia(ns), maybe; only for everyone around them.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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this is becoming a theme with immigrant communities, in a similar vein how german Turks are supportive of Erdogan. I'm sure those people are not evil, but this phenomenon is worthy of investigation.

Back when I lived in Canada and had some exposure to some of local Russian communities, it was bloody obvious that there was a concentrated Russian government effort to manipulate and control their opinion. All online spots - forums, bbses, etc. - had at least one troll reposting from the offical news. More places than one had these as mods or admins. Agitating and stirring the pot was a daily occurence, which was qu…

> had at least one troll reposting from the offical news Look no further -- /u/5ESS have been "directing the narrative" here by posting the same youtube link 5 times already.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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The reason Russia has elevated tyrants to power for centuries is deep-rooted in Russian soul to the point where it's not even a problem. It's something that is inexplicably difficult to understand unless you actually experience the culture for a good portion of your life. There is a lot of literature out there about the "Russian Soul" and I really recommend reading it to understand how this happens. In my opinion it'…

At the moment I see more challenges to this war from inside Russia than I ever see from the US when it is starting a new war.

Maybe because this one is even more obviously, blatantly, flagrantly more unjustifiable and trumped-up[1] than most of the American ones.

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[1] Heh... Should that have been "Trumped-up"?

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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The reason Russia has elevated tyrants to power for centuries is deep-rooted in Russian soul to the point where it's not even a problem. It's something that is inexplicably difficult to understand unless you actually experience the culture for a good portion of your life. There is a lot of literature out there about the "Russian Soul" and I really recommend reading it to understand how this happens. In my opinion it'…

I'm not convinced, this sounds like mystical bullshit to me. There is no such thing as a "Russian soul", just like Frenchmen do not always walk around with a baguette under their arm. Russia (i) hasn't really been democratic yet for historical reasons, and the current regime does everything to make it stay that way, so many people have given up on change in that respect, and (ii) alleged support for someone like Puti…

> just like Frenchmen do not always walk around with a baguette under their arm.

Oh yes they do! With a bottle of wine in their hand, and wearing a striped long-sleeved t-shirt[1], pencil moustache, and a beret. Everyone knows that! Sheesh...

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[1]: Come to think of it, rather like a telnyashka.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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> How do we know it’s propaganda? If your country is always right and the rest are always wrong, that could be a hint. In Western media you'll find voices for and against the war. In Russian media it's barely acknowledged that there's a war ongoing.

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> The other 200 countries in the world have absolutely no idea whats really going on in that area

Ah, but that's where you are wrong, you see: We have something called "journalists" and "reporters", people whose job it is to go there and write newspaper stories or film newsclips showing and telling what is going on. A bit like your Propaganda Commissars, except these people report the truth in stead of what the governmentvtells them to.

> have no idea about this area’s history

Ah. Like how Ukraine has always been a part of Russia, is the Cradle of the Rodina, except at the same time also has always been a hotbed of gay Jewish Nazism, right?

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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To Cyprus, Russian migrate to hide their money here and live a normal life in a normal country. They are not poor by any measure.

There's rich economic reasons and poor economic reasons, they are still economic reasons, none of them are migrating to be integrated, just to be more wealthy.

Sure, but as to Cyprus specifically, that's probably not where the poor ones go. It's a kind of l down-scale Switzerland in the economic and immigration senses.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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I've watched the Pozner video before, but I would be highly skeptical. Vladimir Pozner is a former KGB propagandist according to his own admission. Thus he has quite a good understanding about effective propaganda: "Intelligent propaganda is not a propaganda that tells blatant lies. It's something where you try to show the good side of what your [sic] supporting and you don't tell about the negatives, you only tell a…

Russia's attempts to join NATO pre-date 2009 by more than a decade. By 2009 it was clear that it would not be allowed into NATO, no matter what they did. Here is the first google result from before 2008 [1]. Anyone paying attention in the 90s will recall when Russia was signalling a renewed interest in joining NATO. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2000/03/06/p...

> Acting Russian President Vladimir Putin, in an unexpected gesture to the West, suggested in a television interview today that Russia would consider joining NATO if the Western alliance agreed to treat Russia as an equal partner.

I'm surprised that some people still haven't learned that his words don't mean anything.

I remember this interview; even at the time it came across as trolling. Key words: "unexpected gesture", "would consider", "treat as equal partner".

For reference, "treat as equal partner" is the putinspeak for "recognize our right to control half of the continent".

No wonder nobody took him seriously.

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