Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Climate change is hitting the planet faster than scientists originally thought

nature.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 147 posts

Re: Climate change is hitting the planet faster than scientists originally thought

#21

Post by RobertRoberts »

apocalypstyx wrote: post #13
meatsauce wrote: post #8

Latest IPCC climate report warns that rising greenhouse-gas emissions could soon outstrip the ability of many communities to adapt. ...how did the climate alarmist reports fare over the years? 1. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” 2. “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival…

There is one distinction between your list and the present situation: there is a difference between the opinions of an individual scientist and scientific consensus.

Can you provide a falsifiable definition of "scientific consensus"?

Re: Climate change is hitting the planet faster than scientists originally thought

#22

Post by coolso »

Yeah but then there are also plenty of less-sexy headlines showing how often the climate change doomsday prophecies were completely wrong.

I tend to be wary of people with a motive shouting things from the rooftops about how we all have to give more control to an ever increasing globalization government(s) or we’re all gonna die.

We’ve seen just how especially bad globalization can screw us over these past couple years, and we’ve also seen data that other countries (who take advantage of us) aren’t pulling their fair share of the responsibility when it comes to the environment - all while the US weakens itself in comparison.

Re: Climate change is hitting the planet faster than scientists originally thought

#23

Post by slg »

luxuryballs wrote: post #16

Quoted post unavailable.

The description on that episode:

>Steven E. Koonin is a theoretical physicist, professor, former Chief Scientist for the BP petroleum company, and former Under Secretary for Science at the U.S. Department of Energy under the Obama administration. He's also the author of "Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It Matters."

I'm not sure "former Chief Scientist for the BP petroleum company" is the person I would go to for "a balanced take" on climate change.

Re: Climate change is hitting the planet faster than scientists originally thought

#24

Post by seiferteric »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #4

1) The worst polluters are countries like China and India and 3rd world countries that dump trash directly into the ocean. 2) But... it's "PER CAPITA" pollution that is the _actual_ problem. 3) ??? But then we stop right before the truth is that the 1% are the biggest polluters on the planet. https://phys.org/news/2020-09-richest-emissions-poorest-anal... https://inhabitat.com/1-of-global-population-causes-50-of-al..…

You need less then $1 Million (~$900k) to be part of the global 1% though... That includes probably a good amount of people on this site.

Re: Climate change is hitting the planet faster than scientists originally thought

#25

Post by sethrin »

meatsauce wrote: post #8

Latest IPCC climate report warns that rising greenhouse-gas emissions could soon outstrip the ability of many communities to adapt. ...how did the climate alarmist reports fare over the years? 1. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” 2. “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival…

Thanks for the news flash from the 1970s. You may want to acquire some talking points from this century.

Re: Climate change is hitting the planet faster than scientists originally thought

#26

Post by seiferteric »

wbsss4412 wrote: post #18
seiferteric wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've come to believe the opposite. Expecting the whole world to give stuff up is more of a "magic" solution than developing new technology it seems.

Unrealistic and magic aren’t synonymous. In one case you are betting on something that is at best hopefully possible, while in the second case, it is quite clearly possible, it’s just not likely to happen.

I was thinking more along the lines of "magical thinking"

Re: Climate change is hitting the planet faster than scientists originally thought

#28

Post by mfer »

This weekend I read about how our food supply chain is responsible for a lot of greenhouse gases. As much as automobiles. That changing it could have a massive impact.

But, people don't like change that touches their food and leaders just won't even talk about it. How do we get people to be open to changes in stuff like this?

Re: Climate change is hitting the planet faster than scientists originally thought

#29

Post by throwaway5752 »

rglover wrote: post #9
mistrial9 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I echo this -- since when does "cautious, high-training writers timidly announce massive change" become worse than "cynical, manipulative industry experts conceal worst outcomes" or "distracted, low-skill readers dismiss unpopular warning" ?

The IPCC report—again, just like last year—put a major emphasis on implausible scenarios throughout the report over more likely, realistic scenarios. https://twitter.com/RogerPielkeJr/status/1498317086157774866 Similar to last year, too, the media takes that emphasis, reports it as absolute reality, and then starts the campaign of fear ("red alert") on the public, arguably, to whittle down their critical thinking ski…

https://sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roger_Pielke_Jr.

Dr. Pielke's work on climate change effects has been criticized by Dr. Stephen Schneider, who said that with Pielke "one consistent pattern emerges-he is a self-aggrandizer who sets up straw men, knocks them down, and takes credit for being the honest broker to explain the mess-and in fact usually adds little new social science to his analysis"

Source: http://www.hillheat.com/articles/2012/07/31/stephen-schneide...

The IPCC has consistently understated the risks to prevent general panic. That is actually what this submitted article is about.

Post reply on HN