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Re: Less secure apps and your Google Account

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Post by md_ »

cxr wrote: post #47

It's interesting how words can be strung together to avert scrutiny of relevant facts pertaining to the message being communicated—and sometimes even used to mask dishonesty.* The terse form of the advisory states: > To help keep your account secure, starting May 30, 2022, Google will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your username and…

> Google, not the Thunderbird team, are to blame for why your Gmail password is the same as your Google Vault password…

Hmm, but couldn’t third party developers just use OAuth instead? Thunderbird works with Google’s standard XOATH Oauth IMAP implementation, last I checked.

Re: Less secure apps and your Google Account

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Post by fsflover »

dddnzzz334 wrote: post #60
lolinder wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suggestion? Start now. I moved my primary email to a custom domain a bit over a year ago, and it takes a while to slowly migrate everything over. You don't want to be doing that while under pressure from whatever it is that forces you off.

Any suggestions for good privacy-centric email providers?

https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems

Re: Less secure apps and your Google Account

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Post by _joel »

dddnzzz334 wrote: post #60
lolinder wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suggestion? Start now. I moved my primary email to a custom domain a bit over a year ago, and it takes a while to slowly migrate everything over. You don't want to be doing that while under pressure from whatever it is that forces you off.

Any suggestions for good privacy-centric email providers?

Depends on your threat analysis. I'm a happy Fastmail user for several years, mainly due to privacy and quality of the product. Others available.

Re: Less secure apps and your Google Account

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Post by jstanley »

cxr wrote: post #47

It's interesting how words can be strung together to avert scrutiny of relevant facts pertaining to the message being communicated—and sometimes even used to mask dishonesty.* The terse form of the advisory states: > To help keep your account secure, starting May 30, 2022, Google will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your username and…

> This is why I'm skeptical of the whole "writing forces you to be honest because it means you have to actually think things through well enough to put them into words that can be put into coherent sentences"

If you're making an earnest effort to think truthful thoughts, then trying to put your thoughts into writing is genuinely helpful.

Writing doesn't stop you from deceiving others, but it helps to stop you from deceiving yourself.

Re: Less secure apps and your Google Account

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Post by ianai »

lolinder wrote: post #48
rascul wrote: post #34

Google keeps making it more and more difficult for me to use their services. It's going to be painful when Google finally forces me off Gmail.

Suggestion? Start now. I moved my primary email to a custom domain a bit over a year ago, and it takes a while to slowly migrate everything over. You don't want to be doing that while under pressure from whatever it is that forces you off.

Does that handle the huge torrent of ads well? Seemingly every website and brick and mortar I've shopped at ever sends me at least one email per day.

Re: Less secure apps and your Google Account

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Post by striking »

md_ wrote: post #61
cxr wrote: post #47

It's interesting how words can be strung together to avert scrutiny of relevant facts pertaining to the message being communicated—and sometimes even used to mask dishonesty.* The terse form of the advisory states: > To help keep your account secure, starting May 30, 2022, Google will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your username and…

> Google, not the Thunderbird team, are to blame for why your Gmail password is the same as your Google Vault password… Hmm, but couldn’t third party developers just use OAuth instead? Thunderbird works with Google’s standard XOATH Oauth IMAP implementation, last I checked.

Yeah, and for those that don't, app passwords are not hard to use. Slightly cumbersome, maybe, but I bet it'd take less time than GP took to write their comment.

Re: Less secure apps and your Google Account

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Post by [deleted] »

tomxor wrote: post #16

I've noticed gmail randomly blocks Firefox these days under the pretence of "your browser may not be secure" (i.e it doesn't persist through page refreshes), similar to how they try to make you do a captcha unless you refresh the page... I seem to have less and less control over where and how I am allowed to sign in (even thought I'm using a U2F key), and as a result I'm definitely getting pushed closer to the thresh…

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Re: Less secure apps and your Google Account

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Post by dijit »

emsixteen wrote: post #27
tomxor wrote: post #16

I've noticed gmail randomly blocks Firefox these days under the pretence of "your browser may not be secure" (i.e it doesn't persist through page refreshes), similar to how they try to make you do a captcha unless you refresh the page... I seem to have less and less control over where and how I am allowed to sign in (even thought I'm using a U2F key), and as a result I'm definitely getting pushed closer to the thresh…

Have never experienced that since switching back to Firefox after years on various Chromium browsers. Developer Edition, on Windows fwiw.

As others have mentioned it's probably privacy extensions blocking google's checks.

NoScript (or, not enabling javascript globally) is known to cause issues for me.

Things that hide or obfuscate user agents will break google too.

Anything that replaces common CDNs with privacy friendly ones also causes issues.

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