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Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #106
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But russia has to stop nato somewhere... it was too weak to do it with the baltics, and it's doing that now. USA definitely had the plan for a war with cuba, but it luckily didn't happen. They did start many other wars in the meantime, mostly on the other side of the world.

>But russia has to stop nato somewhere Yes, at their own borders. Their jurisdiction ends there. All other nations have the right of self-determination and don't have to care about Russia's thoughts. If they won't like it, they could sanction Ukraine or something, don't you think?

Well yeah, but the same stands for USA and many other nato countries, that are currently occupying foreign lands... And there are many of them. This is not the good guys vs the bad guys here, this is basically stalin and hitler not agreeing divison of poland.

I live in a small balkan country, and we also have our soldiers in kosovo, syria, libanon etc... what right do we have to point the finger at russia? USA is currently bombing somalia. China is looking greedily at taiwan... etc.

If "everyone else" can do it, why not putin? If not putin, why do we let usa do it? Ukraine is just another equivalent of iraq, afghanistan, etc.

This would be a great time to say "stop" in nato, start acting as just a defensive organization, stop all the nato members meddling abroad, and say "NO" to both putin and USA, and everyone else who wants anything outside their own borders.

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

jounker wrote: post #128
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you really imagine russia attacking ukraine a month ago?

He said that he had already pulled out his Ukrainian employees. Not only did he believe, he just said that he believed strongly enough that he took concrete steps affecting other peoples lives.

He edited his post after the reply

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by colesantiago »

I know it might be very tempting in these times, but whatever you do please do not accept crypto! [0]

It isn't the solution. please use cash or PayPal instead (try in another country)

[0] https://www.stephendiehl.com/blog/against-crypto.html

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by SantalBlush »

ezconnect wrote: post #116
klyrs wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought he was cold and calculating until he attacked Ukraine. This looks downright ham-handed and heedless compared to the maneuvering of the decades leading up to now. He's made a damned fool of himself, if you ask me.

They waited 8 years for the Minsk accord to be implemented while ethnic Russians are dying and being displaced. When the Berlin wall was removed they were assured NATO will not arrive on their borders, that was decades ago. Ukraine in NATO was the redline it was communicated for how many years now. Before the invasion Zelensky wanted a nuclear weapon for deterrence and the German foreign minister said the accord it's…

Russia already annexed Crimea, a Ukranian territory, so this is not a convincing argument.

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by koonsolo »

kirso wrote: post #72

Just talked about this today with a few of my Russian friends. This only prompts Putin ratings to grow. It frustrates the opposition (30% of Russians). But it also makes the supporters hate the west even more. So if all these sanctions are there to frustrate people to create a coup and a revolution - its currently working in the opposite direction. EDIT: I don't mean it as something that I wish, just stating an opini…

If that is the case, the west took the right decision. We don't need to fund a country that uses those funds to attack us.

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by simonh »

Kinrany wrote: post #136

One way this already backfired: credit cards cannot be used to pay for hosting and VPN services.

Isn't that the sanction working as intended?

I understand your point, those services might be used by Russians against the war, but they can also be used by Russians who support the war. There's nothing good about any of this, the harm being done to ordinary Russians by sanctions isn't good, or desirable, or even deserved. Nobody in the west wants to be doing this. It is necessary though, unfortunately.

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by meragrin_ »

simonh wrote: post #137
Kinrany wrote: post #136

One way this already backfired: credit cards cannot be used to pay for hosting and VPN services.

Isn't that the sanction working as intended? I understand your point, those services might be used by Russians against the war, but they can also be used by Russians who support the war. There's nothing good about any of this, the harm being done to ordinary Russians by sanctions isn't good, or desirable, or even deserved. Nobody in the west wants to be doing this. It is necessary though, unfortunately.

Yes, but it makes it harder for Russians who do not agree with their government to communicate.

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by [deleted] »

scandox wrote: post #74
kirso wrote: post #72

Just talked about this today with a few of my Russian friends. This only prompts Putin ratings to grow. It frustrates the opposition (30% of Russians). But it also makes the supporters hate the west even more. So if all these sanctions are there to frustrate people to create a coup and a revolution - its currently working in the opposite direction. EDIT: I don't mean it as something that I wish, just stating an opini…

Going by history sanctions do tend to entrench authoritarian rulers. I still think there isn't any choice. He used the "Nuclear" word and now I think Europe's policy will be containment for a very long time. Edit: added "be"

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Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

#140

Post by sissjdb »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #131
KptMarchewa wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But russia has to stop nato somewhere Yes, at their own borders. Their jurisdiction ends there. All other nations have the right of self-determination and don't have to care about Russia's thoughts. If they won't like it, they could sanction Ukraine or something, don't you think?

Well yeah, but the same stands for USA and many other nato countries, that are currently occupying foreign lands... And there are many of them. This is not the good guys vs the bad guys here, this is basically stalin and hitler not agreeing divison of poland. I live in a small balkan country, and we also have our soldiers in kosovo, syria, libanon etc... what right do we have to point the finger at russia? USA is cur…

>USA is currently bombing somalia.

This is bordering on dishonest. US is supporting the legitimate Somalian government against a terror group famous for it’s attacks on schools.

You could sort of compare this to Russia supporting the Syrian government, despite their legitimacy being questionable. This is something they have hardly faced international criticism over, beyond downright war crimes.

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