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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by fabian2k »

godmode2019 wrote: post #155

I think its very sad normal Russian people are going to be targeted when European countries are still buying oil and gas from Russia 700million a day going straight to the war machine. Europeans pretend to care and sanction everything except for the oil and gas that is funding that war. There should always be a difference between government and people. All these sanctions are harming normal people, essentially econom…

It's simply not possible to change the infrastructure that fast. Gas is used for heating, that's not optional in winter. Europe needs to build more LNG terminals (which they decided to do) and order gas from other countries that have the ability to greatly increase their output. This all takes time, but in the long run Europe will stop being as dependen on Russian gas and oil as they are now, Putin made sure of that.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by gattilorenz »

darebak wrote: post #55
gattilorenz wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not whataboutism. I am in favor of strong sanctions again Russia, but saying that "Russian companies paid for death and destruction in Ukraine. I feel no empathy. This country should pay for every war crime they committed. There are no innocence in war. Silent complacency what brought it on." is blatantly false, and it becomes apparent when you reverse the narrative. Are all American companies responsible for…

>Is it fair to sanction them? No. Should we do it if it helps destabilizing Putin? Yes, absolutely, even more than we are doing now. As someone who was from a country where sanctions were supposed to destabilize our leader, it doesn't work, never did, never will. In the tough times people rally behind their leaders, just look at Zelensky or Boris Johnson right now.

> As someone who was from a country where sanctions were supposed to destabilize our leader, it doesn't work, never did, never will.

Did you rally behind your leader because of sanctions?

More importantly, what would you suggest, given your previous experience? Start an actual war to depose the leader (not always turning out great, and I'm assuming your country wasn't a nuclear superpower)? Leave everything as it is, let the leader invade neighbors with no repercussions?

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by ithkuil »

EnOstac6 wrote: post #111
muzani wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As in they will not legally be allowed to accept payments from Russia. There will probably be usage of VPNs and USD/BTC, but that will also probably not be legal too. And even if it were legal, a lot of people and companies will just not do it. The world plans to make things very difficult for Russia should the war continue. Also I just noticed elsewhere on HN that Namecheap has officially sanctioned Russia themselve…

And this Namecheap sanctions just hit independent students journal DOXA. Four of its journalists are being trialed right now because of January 2021 protests. They are accused for sharing a motivational video addressed to students not to stay silent. Yesterday russian censorship started to block DOXA site, because they published anti-war debate manual. They switched their domain then got sanctioned by Namecheap. It i…

Namespace CEO sad that they make exceptions and you just have to contact them.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by hans_castorp »

namecheapTA wrote: post #92
hans_castorp wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A crime committed by one party, doesn't justify a crime committed by another party There is absolutely no justification what Putin (NOT "the Russians" mind you) is doing right now. But to answer your question: yes, I do feel that about US companies as well, and I have avoided them (or services offered by them) where ever possible in the last two decades. But sadly it's way easier to avoid Russian services, than US se…

Should you really be on this site then? I'm sure there are non-US based tech/startup forums you can use, and not support an American based company from the evil American empire.

Well, there is a difference between reading a random news feed or using a service e.g. for communication where the US government can seize my data any time they want to.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by diiiimaaaa »

I am in Ukraine right now. In a small village to the north of Kyiv. I am the author of PhotoSwipe (https://github.com/dimsemenov/photoswipe).

Yesterday I was filling bags with sand to make a fortification for local defenders. I hear artillery as I am writing this. And by the way, you get used to it.

In the last few days I received about 20 emails offering support, none of them were from russian devs. One asked a technical question about my lib, I answered "do you know what's happening in Ukraine right now?" - no reply.

I see a few russian companies and personalities openly condemn the aggression (such as JetBrains) and I'm very grateful to them. However most are silent, or have very weak Instagram post "no war" with a sadface, or even worse - post with "we are out of politics".

And that's IT people, which are presumably more informed. Unfortunately, due to misinformation most russian people have no idea what's happening here, that's why sanctions should affect regular people, and not just putin and his close allies.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by all_factz »

sudosysgen wrote: post #148
all_factz wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people in the US were very opposed to the Iraq war (the war in Afghanistan, though stupid, had a more real precedent). It would have been good had the US suffered sanctions for invading Iraq, but sadly the geopolitical reality didn’t support that at the time. Does that mean we should just roll over and accept deeply unethical and wrongheaded behavior from a different country? (It’s also worth pointing out that t…

I'm sure many people in the US were opposed to it. Did they have a choice though? Both of those wars were essentially unanimous amongst the ruling class. There is nothing the average citizen can do at that point. You claim “this isn’t about the human suffering caused by Russia”. You sure about that? I think most people feel like a primary issue with invading another country is the amount of human suffering it causes.…

I think you’re still oversimplifying. NATO countries may have been involved in bloody wars, wars which were varying degrees of bad idea, but at least those wars were fought against regimes which were terrible - brutal and repressive towards their own population. Ukraine is a mostly liberal democracy, which makes invading it even harder to justify.

But sure, US citizens might not have had much say in whether the US invaded Iraq. That doesn’t mean that sanctions wouldn’t have created political pressure which could in turn have made an invasion less appealing to the neocons in power at that time. So while I’m sorry to see average Russians (or at least those opposed to the war) suffer as a result of these sanctions, I can also acknowledge that sanctions may actually put pressure on Putin to de-escalate this conflict, and also warn him of the consequences of future aggression. It’s possible Putin will ignore these sanctions, but doing so risks improving the position of his opponents within Russia.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by azalemeth »

darebak wrote: post #55
gattilorenz wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not whataboutism. I am in favor of strong sanctions again Russia, but saying that "Russian companies paid for death and destruction in Ukraine. I feel no empathy. This country should pay for every war crime they committed. There are no innocence in war. Silent complacency what brought it on." is blatantly false, and it becomes apparent when you reverse the narrative. Are all American companies responsible for…

>Is it fair to sanction them? No. Should we do it if it helps destabilizing Putin? Yes, absolutely, even more than we are doing now. As someone who was from a country where sanctions were supposed to destabilize our leader, it doesn't work, never did, never will. In the tough times people rally behind their leaders, just look at Zelensky or Boris Johnson right now.

Boris Johnson's popularity has completely and utterly sunk after a series of scandals that have exposed him as a lying, cheating, hypocrite. It's quite likely that he won't be allowed by his party to contest the next election. To say that he's popular and in particular popular as a rallying cry against international condemnation is utterly false. He's deeply disliked by a large chunk of the population.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

madaxe_again wrote: post #136
cf141q5325 wrote: post #12

You might want to check stuff like virtual office service, incorporation in an EU country, they start really cheap, as well as getting a VPS to bounce from. And stuff like Electronic Money Institutes for at least some really basic banking. Fair warning though, some of these things look rather shady so use some common sense and be careful with your local legislation (See MrDisposables response) edit: To elaborate on t…

Sweet. I would recommend checking on stuff like “do I know how to grow and harvest potatoes” and “ensure I have firewood and a wood burning stove for heating”. These will be much more useful for survival than a virtual office space.

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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by 5ESS »

Could I (US citizen) get in trouble for providing free VPNs to Russian nationals?

Would these Russians get in trouble for using my US based VPN?

I want to support Russians during this difficult time but I don’t want them to get in trouble. I disagree with sanctioning and punishing ordinary citizens for the actions of the rich and powerful 1%. Imagine how it feel being a US citizen and getting punished for Donald Trump’s decisions. It’s wrong and makes no sense.

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