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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by randomsearch »

namecheapTA wrote: post #23
Svoka wrote: post #19

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This is whataboutism and it is so tired. A good propaganda tactic though, and the Russians are using it as an attack vector. Westerners seem really vulnerable to this form of propaganda, possibly due to the success of previous information warfare led by Russia.

Bringing up some other terrible thing for comparison does not change in any way whatsoever the severity of what is happening in Ukraine. Whataboutism propaganda is designed to muddy the waters around that indisputable fact.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #25
marcell wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putin launched a war against Ukraine in order to conquer it the traditional sense, ie to replace the existing government with his own government. The long term goal is for Russia to control this country's government. The wars started by the US typically have the goal of establishing a democratic government. Japan is an example of a successful outcome. Iraq has a functioning democracy now. This policy is often critici…

Or to remove the democratic government...

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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by azinman2 »

BaconPackets wrote: post #6
muzani wrote: post #5

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As in they will not legally be allowed to accept payments from Russia. There will probably be usage of VPNs and USD/BTC, but that will also probably not be legal too. And even if it were legal, a lot of people and companies will just not do it. The world plans to make things very difficult for Russia should the war continue. Also I just noticed elsewhere on HN that Namecheap has officially sanctioned Russia themselve…

That's interesting. I'm not sure where the technicality resides. If that situation is the case, I assume that it would be quite catastrophic for anyone using non-Russian services for IT.

Cutting off SWIFT I believe is a primary way of making it impossible to pay...

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by cf141q5325 »

MrDisposable wrote: post #24
cf141q5325 wrote: post #12

You might want to check stuff like virtual office service, incorporation in an EU country, they start really cheap, as well as getting a VPS to bounce from. And stuff like Electronic Money Institutes for at least some really basic banking. Fair warning though, some of these things look rather shady so use some common sense and be careful with your local legislation (See MrDisposables response) edit: To elaborate on t…

> "incorporation in an EU country" Illegal, due to the "КИК" law, and, if I remember correctly, punishable by a heavy yearly fine (about $50K ath the current exchange rate). > "Electronic Money Institutes for at least some really basic banking" Outgoing transfers to foreign banks and electronic money institutions are now illegal, due to the yesterday's order that forbids Russian residents to transfer money to their o…

Thank you! Do you know if its only incorporation in EU countries? I am not quite sure about globally, but since Canadian and US Limiteds are likely out of the question as well that would (have been?) Hong Kong then?

For the banking, is that transactions out of the country or any transaction, so also from money you get from out of Russia? I was more looking through the sanction perspective

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by gpt5 »

pcmoney wrote: post #20
marcell wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putin launched a war against Ukraine in order to conquer it the traditional sense, ie to replace the existing government with his own government. The long term goal is for Russia to control this country's government. The wars started by the US typically have the goal of establishing a democratic government. Japan is an example of a successful outcome. Iraq has a functioning democracy now. This policy is often critici…

I would add the US did not unilaterally start the war in Iraq or Yugoslavia and definitely not the one with Japan. In the case of Japan, the US rebuilt an enemy after they attacked the US without a declaration of war and made them an ally and trading partner.

It's actually quite interesting that US has managed to convert quite a few of its rivals to allies. Japan, Vietnam, Mexico, Germany and its allies, many Arab countries come to mind.

I'd argue that even China and Russia, while not allies - are also not enemies.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by MrDisposable »

gnull wrote: post #11

As a side question, how similar is Putin's war in Ukraine to the numerous wars started by U.S. (say, in the middle East, Yugoslavia)? Are these fair to compare? I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision, not to justify it or engage in whataboutism.

  > I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision
Drastic. Catastrophic. Suicidal. World-changing.

The country (Russia) in its current form has just ceased to exist. The entire parasitic elite class just got cut off from everything they stole during all these years. The entire human potential of Russia just got nullified for at lest 20 years. The push towards green energy (and I hope nuclear fusion) just got accelerated. NATO and EU memberships just became essential for any European country. The prospects of nuclear disarmamant are nullified.

The war isn't exactly a blitzkrieg now, but it still has a good chance to succeed -- but that's not what matters. It's the consequences that matter. They will affect the course of human history.

I think the west (Europe and USA) will be perfectly fine. It's we Russians who are fucked for the rest of our lives.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by travisgriggs »

pcmoney wrote: post #20
marcell wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putin launched a war against Ukraine in order to conquer it the traditional sense, ie to replace the existing government with his own government. The long term goal is for Russia to control this country's government. The wars started by the US typically have the goal of establishing a democratic government. Japan is an example of a successful outcome. Iraq has a functioning democracy now. This policy is often critici…

I would add the US did not unilaterally start the war in Iraq or Yugoslavia and definitely not the one with Japan. In the case of Japan, the US rebuilt an enemy after they attacked the US without a declaration of war and made them an ally and trading partner.

This highlights one of my growing ethical dillemas.

I am a US citizen, and sometimes I am really ashamed of my country. We have done some really bad stuff. We’ve done a whole lot of shady stuff that is complicated to pass simple judgement on. But the US has done good stuff as well. They loan money, send aid, rebuild, provide. Some times the motives are duplicitous in these acts of good. But the bottom line is, when I travel abroad I feel like I can confidently say “we’re like a two year old, sometimes we do sweet/good things, and other times we’re naughty.”

When it comes to USSR/Russia, I am not aware of the good acts. It’s not just that thy do bad things, it’s that I never hear of any of the good things they do in the world at large.

And so I’m honestly curious, is Russia as a foreign actor just that much more self interested? Or do we not hear about it in the West, because it doesn’t pay to report on it.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by fit2rule »

randomsearch wrote: post #31
namecheapTA wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is whataboutism and it is so tired. A good propaganda tactic though, and the Russians are using it as an attack vector. Westerners seem really vulnerable to this form of propaganda, possibly due to the success of previous information warfare led by Russia. Bringing up some other terrible thing for comparison does not change in any way whatsoever the severity of what is happening in Ukraine. Whataboutism propagan…

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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by MrDisposable »

cf141q5325 wrote: post #34
MrDisposable wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "incorporation in an EU country" Illegal, due to the "КИК" law, and, if I remember correctly, punishable by a heavy yearly fine (about $50K ath the current exchange rate). > "Electronic Money Institutes for at least some really basic banking" Outgoing transfers to foreign banks and electronic money institutions are now illegal, due to the yesterday's order that forbids Russian residents to transfer money to their o…

Thank you! Do you know if its only incorporation in EU countries? I am not quite sure about globally, but since Canadian and US Limiteds are likely out of the question as well that would (have been?) Hong Kong then? For the banking, is that transactions out of the country or any transaction, so also from money you get from out of Russia? I was more looking through the sanction perspective

  > Do you know if its only incorporation in EU countries?
Anywhere abroad. It is illegal (and has been illegal since 2014 or so, can't remember) for a Russian resident to have a controlling stake in a company not incorporated in Russia.

  > is that transactions out of the country or any transaction
It's about transfers of funds from Russia to foreign bank (and "bank-like") accounts. Accepting money from abroad is still legal -- which is confirmed by the fact that they yesterday imposed a requirement of mandatory conversion of 80% of any foreign-currency revenue to rubles.
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