Namecheap: Russia Service Termination • Hacker News Board

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by catwarrior » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 10:22 PM UTC

rmnc wrote: post #63

NamecheapCEO wrote: post #42

We haven't blocked the domains, we are asking people to move. There are plenty of other choices out there when it comes to infrastructure services so this isn't "deplatforming". I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. We have people on the ground in Ukraine being bombarded now non stop. I cannot with good conscience continue to support…

I've paid in full for four domains just four days ago -- some two hours before I was thrown into a police bus. I may understand why you did this, but this is a low move, nonetheless. Tax dollars or not, you're imposing extra costs on your users, most of which relied on your services for decades, and terminating any trust they ever had in your services.

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Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by NamecheapCEO » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 10:24 PM UTC

xfitm3 wrote: post #75

allisdust wrote: post #12

This is quite unprofessional of them. Unless the jurisdiction specifically forbids it, taking sides like this and kicking out their paying customers with little notice is nothing but opportune posturing that reeks of deplatforming. Don't take out your grievances on already subjugated population.

This is the real consequences of cancel culture. It's convenient until it comes up against your own personal beliefs.

Cancel culture doesn't usually involve government war crimes. I am anti woke myself but pro genocide I am not.

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by Russian » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 10:27 PM UTC

NamecheapCEO wrote: post #81

dmitrygr wrote: post #69

How is this supposed to help? Ok, i get the virtue signaling angle, but seriously. What do you expect? That people want domains so much that they'll drop everything, abandon their families, kids, jobs, and go rise up against a well-defended president who'll jail or kill them for protesting? This does NOTHING to help Ukraine, hurts INNOCENT Russians, and makes you look good in the eyes of only the least attentive....…

If we were virtue signaling we wouldn't willingly be giving up a not non significant part of our business. This hurts us financially but it's the right thing to do, at least for us. Your leader/country is already killing innocent civilians/ukranians. They are putting it all on the line with their lives. They didn't ask for this yet they are dying for it. Change needs to come and the only way it can is for the Russian…

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Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by atlantas » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 10:28 PM UTC

hurflmurfl wrote: post #10

Great, now amid looking for ways to get my family out I also have to find another registrar who will not do the same thing and transfer my domains so that my cloud and email are still working. Any politically neutral registrars that HN crowd can recommend?

It's time to decentralize.

https://ens.domains https://ipfs.io/

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by codegeek » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 10:28 PM UTC

NamecheapCEO wrote: post #42

We haven't blocked the domains, we are asking people to move. There are plenty of other choices out there when it comes to infrastructure services so this isn't "deplatforming". I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. We have people on the ground in Ukraine being bombarded now non stop. I cannot with good conscience continue to support…

I am an American and lucky not to have anything in Russia but as a namecheap customer, I urge you to please be patient with people and give them time to move. I understand the decision you made and it is your right to do so but please do not block someone just because they couldn't do it by a certain date. I am sure you know but empathy is really needed right now. Your March 6 deadline worries me.

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by dc2k08 » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 10:30 PM UTC

NamecheapCEO wrote: post #42

We haven't blocked the domains, we are asking people to move. There are plenty of other choices out there when it comes to infrastructure services so this isn't "deplatforming". I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. We have people on the ground in Ukraine being bombarded now non stop. I cannot with good conscience continue to support…

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Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by toast0 » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 10:31 PM UTC

contingencies wrote: post #61

NamecheapCEO wrote: post #42

We haven't blocked the domains, we are asking people to move. There are plenty of other choices out there when it comes to infrastructure services so this isn't "deplatforming". I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. We have people on the ground in Ukraine being bombarded now non stop. I cannot with good conscience continue to support…

Dear Namecheap CEO, A better way you could have done this would be to announce non-renewal but have a single-renewal escape clause for people who are too busy to deal with it. This would allow you to make your point without shafting the consumer. You could also have given something back like a one-time at-cost discount on moving to new replacement domains. You know, act in solidarity with your customer instead of aga…

I agree that this move seems too abrupt. Fulfilling current paid services and setting a reasonable deadline for final renewal (if payment is still available, which may be out of your control) and a reasonable maximum term length for any renewals would provide a lot more business continuity.

Maybe you're not worried about business continuity of the newly sanctioned customers, but other customers who aren't currently sanctioned but may be subject to future sanctions because they don't control the regime they live in would appreciate a more reasonable continuity process.

Of course, if these sanctions are as a result of legal requirements, gotta follow the law. But, so far, there doesn't seem to be a blanket ban on business with people in Russia; other than banking restrictions make it hard to transact.

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by Russian » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 10:38 PM UTC

I believe we should start a group lawsuit against Namecheap in US courts. The damage they will make will be much, MUCH greater than a domain name renewal cost. We didn't violate a single point of the agreement and nobody of us is in US SDN list. This specific company think it can fuck a contract just because they want and we should stop this. Internet is a territory of freedom where we do not sort people.

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by raxi » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 10:39 PM UTC

But such moves only shows the unreliability of businesses that preach net neutrality and similar things and in fact discriminate based on ethnicity.

So they show that Putin is right, that democracy and liberalism are dead, that Ukrainians are nazi, and rally people around him even more.

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by ashvardanian » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 10:40 PM UTC

exizt88 wrote: post #65

NamecheapCEO wrote: post #42

We haven't blocked the domains, we are asking people to move. There are plenty of other choices out there when it comes to infrastructure services so this isn't "deplatforming". I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. We have people on the ground in Ukraine being bombarded now non stop. I cannot with good conscience continue to support…

> People that are getting angry need to point that at the cause, their own government. Believe me, I'm very angry at my government. Unlike you, I've been protesting the regime for several years, putting my health and well-being at risk. I've donated thousands of dollars to anti-regime organizations. And I'm currently in the process of fleeing the country because of this. So I'm also very angry at you, for screwing me…

Exactly! The tech community is the epicenter of change in Russia, same as in most places.

My situation is different, but equally anecdotal. I left Russia years ago, as soon as I could. My company isn't in Russia. I don't pay taxes in Russia. I am not even Russian by ethnicity, but I have relatives in Russia and I am still holding a Russian passport. Does that make me a bad person? Even if I were Russian, is it against the ICANN rules to belong to certain ethnicities or nationalities?

As a final note, people who live in CIS all have friends in both countries. For them the war is real and not on a TV screen. Imagine how many hours will those people waste changing those damn configs instead of helping people in need in both Ukraine and Russia...