Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024

Post by darkwater » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 4:30 PM UTC

pantulis wrote: post #75

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You need 400 miles of range on a charge, even if fast chargers are frequent and available and could give you a useful charge in ~10-15 minutes?

Sorry, it's only 330 miles, did miles/km conversion wrong ;) Yes, having the possibility of doing a fast charge in 10-15 minutes could do the trick. Still don't think the charger network is really that big here in Spain (what happens in Summer when everybody tries to charge their car in the same charging stations?)

Post by dylan604 » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 4:31 PM UTC

hindsightbias wrote: post #76

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FWIW: that's a survivorship bias effect. Old cars don't have "crazy maintenance costs" until they do, at which point they get scrapped and aren't in the population of "old cars" anymore. It's absolutely possible to find 20 year old Corollas (or whatever). But that's not representative. (Also, those 20 year old cars tend to be running around with components from a bunch of parted-out 14 year old vehicles!)

I sure see a lot of Toyota survivors on the road. While it’s not strange to see a 1970s F150 on the road, it is strange to see one from the 90”s or early aughts. Of the 40 cars on my block, 8 are over 10 years old and it’s 7 toyotas, a vw, a miata and a subie.

Post by dylan604 » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 4:34 PM UTC

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I’ve thought my next vehicle would be an EV since 1998. But next time for sure.

Once you switch, it's hard to imagine ever going back. No more gas stations, dramatic drop in fuel cost, always ready to go fully charged each morning. I'm addicted.

Post by tonyedgecombe » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 4:40 PM UTC

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I'm guessing in about a year. Supply chain problems, primarily chips but also some other parts, continue to plague auto manufacturing. In my industry (RFID), we're expecting the pipelines to unclog in about Q1 of '23 though we might see some relief before then. In late '22 there will likely be a wave of car buying, from pent-up demand, dumping lots of used cars on the market. Might be a good time to shop used. You mi…

It seems non Tesla EVs deprecate quickly. If you just need a commuter car, or car for local shopping. They can be a great deal. For example a 2013 Nissan Leaf that gets ~70 miles of range can be bad for 6k.

Post by darknavi » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 4:44 PM UTC

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #72

oblio wrote: post #69

Somewhat off-topic, but maybe someone knows. There's one thing that worries me about EVs: local pollution. So, ICE cars release CO2 + they release local pollutants (NO, CO, etc), particulate matter, that kind of thing. EVs obviously don't directly release CO2 nor do they release those local pollutants. However, EVs are on average much heavier (probably 200-400kgs heavier), which means that they probably need bigger t…

I don't have a specific study but regenerative breaking as used in commercial EVs would mean less particulate from breakpads etc. not more.